I hate to open this can again but.....

[DeerHarvester]

MnM, where is your evidence?  Empirical data?  Studies?  If you don't like it in your area, get the county or city or whatever you live in to do something.  Why condone something that will effect the entire state?

Like I said, I see (or have heard) deer herds are hurting in the eastern part of the state, therefore I THINK ALL DEER HUNTING IN EASTERN WASHINGTON SHOULD BE PERMIT ONLY, ESPECIALLY IN OKANAGON COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do all of you eastside hunters supporting baiting bans like that idea?

My evidence lies in the thousands of hours I spend in the hills here and what I see and know first hand, not what I've "heard". Apparently you've missed my point yet another time, as I nor anyone I know, condone any ban affecting the entire state.  Lastly your permit only to hunt the eastside would surely get my vote if it helped rebuild our deer herds.

I too would support a permit only hunt in central Washington.  It would give the heard a fighting chance.

As Mntmuley posted several times. Most of us have no issue with the majority of baiting practices.   I Fully support a land owner who wants to throw some bait out and hunt over it. But there needs to be some regulation on a select few in this area. It maybe just as simple as saying no to commercial guides, or a size restriction on bait sites. 

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[Jonathan_S]

MnM, where is your evidence?  Empirical data?  Studies?  If you don't like it in your area, get the county or city or whatever you live in to do something.  Why condone something that will effect the entire state?

Like I said, I see (or have heard) deer herds are hurting in the eastern part of the state, therefore I THINK ALL DEER HUNTING IN EASTERN WASHINGTON SHOULD BE PERMIT ONLY, ESPECIALLY IN OKANAGON COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do all of you eastside hunters supporting baiting bans like that idea?

My evidence lies in the thousands of hours I spend in the hills here and what I see and know first hand, not what I've "heard". Apparently you've missed my point yet another time, as I nor anyone I know, condone any ban affecting the entire state.  Lastly your permit only to hunt the eastside would surely get my vote if it helped rebuild our deer herds.

I too would support a permit only hunt in central Washington.  It would give the heard a fighting chance.


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That makes sense but it's a moot point because that isn't on the docket   

[MtnMuley]

You're correct jonathan_S. Unfortunately with the loss of revenue, you'd never see that on the eastside.

[Lucky1]

The WDFW site says the survey showed that  59 % of of the people who answered the survey strongly oppose deer baiting. 20% had no strong opinion, and 21% support baiting deer.
Elk baiting was opposed by 68% of the responders and 14% supported elk baiting.

It was the DFW that asked the survey questions. It seems obvious to me that they are in favor of the ban by the way the questions were asked.

I do not see a valid "game management" reason to institute a ban. What will it accomplish? I think it will appease a bunch of short sighted, whiny, envious, self absorbed people that want to make everyone else do it like they do it.

Why does it bother anyone else if I kill my deer over bait? Baiting can be a very effective way to fill a tag. I think it is kind of like making a choice to hunt with traditional archery equipment vs a compound bow. It is simply a different method. The only reason I can think of that my hunting method would bother another hunter is that he is a envious of my success and wants me to join him eating tag soup.

[billythekidrock]

The WDFW site says the survey showed that  59 % of of the people who answered the survey strongly oppose deer baiting. 20% had no strong opinion, and 21% support baiting deer.
Elk baiting was opposed by 68% of the responders and 14% supported elk baiting.

It was the DFW that asked the survey questions. It seems obvious to me that they are in favor of the ban by the way the questions were asked.

I do not see a valid "game management" reason to institute a ban. What will it accomplish? I think it will appease a bunch of short sighted, whiny, envious, self absorbed people that want to make everyone else do it like they do it.

Why does it bother anyone else if I kill my deer over bait? Baiting can be a very effective way to fill a tag. I think it is kind of like making a choice to hunt with traditional archery equipment vs a compound bow. It is simply a different method. The only reason I can think of that my hunting method would bother another hunter is that he is a envious of my success and wants me to join him eating tag soup.

You can take college courses on survey making and WDFW know exactly what questions or options to give the answers they want.

[MtnMuley]

Lucky1, I feel that there are definitely people out there that are those types of people that are envious, but that's not true with many. Of the people I know that have a problem with certain situations of baiting, being envious or wanting others to do it their way is absolutely not a factor. Watching our local herd get dismantled and and go further into the hole is what bothers us. We want our future generations to have the opportunities we have by hunting a valuable resource.

[billythekidrock]

Lucky1, I feel that there are definitely people out there that are those types of people that are envious, but that's not true with many. Of the people I know that have a problem with certain situations of baiting, being envious or wanting others to do it their way is absolutely not a factor. Watching our local herd get dismantled and and go further into the hole is what bothers us. We want our future generations to have the opportunities we have by hunting a valuable resource.

So reduce tags. Just because a method is successful doesn't meant it should be taken away.

[Lucky1]

Lucky1, I feel that there are definitely people out there that are those types of people that are envious, but that's not true with many. Of the people I know that have a problem with certain situations of baiting, being envious or wanting others to do it their way is absolutely not a factor. Watching our local herd get dismantled and and go further into the hole is what bothers us. We want our future generations to have the opportunities we have by hunting a valuable resource.

So reduce tags. Just because a method is successful doesn't meant it should be taken away.

MtnMuley, does the DFW know that your local herd is dwindling? If it really is, they should regulate the hunting in that area to let the herd build. A blanket ban on baiting will not help to keep the population down in the Battleground unit where I hunt. The rules here are set to reduce the deer and elk populations. I too, want the future of hunting to be preserved. I think that what is being dismantled is the sport of hunting, one method at a time.
Billy, the DFW probably does not want to reduce the amount of tags sold, because they think they would lose revenue. The reality of it is they will lose revenue as they lose hunters who will buy their tags.
I think they are more interested in managing hunters than they are in managing game populations.
I really believe that some in the DFW are indoctrinated liberals who would just as soon manage the game without the help of  hunters.

[WARHORSE]

Unlike u You i wouldnt pop off about somthing i havnt seen first hand. If i knew nothing about the issue i would keep my mouth shut.

And yet you know next to nothing about me and choose to voice an attack.  How is that not popping off or keeping your mouth shut about something you do not know first hand?

sorry if i hurt yer feelings lil fella. Not my intention. Iam just saying people who have not seen the before and after of baiting in certian areas wouldnt know what iam talking about. Iam not worried about filling my tag, being jealous of baters whatever you alls arguement is. I am concerned for the future of the herd! I want my kids to be able to enjoy the mule deer as i have.

[RadSav]

sorry if i hurt yer feelings lil fella. Not my intention.

    Not sure anyone has called me a lil' fella since before my accident.  Fat *censored* I have heard more than once since then


I am reminded of a line from the movie Quigley Down Under where Tom Selleck's character says, "I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

[KFhunter]

excellent line,  I should watch that again sometime.


I'm on the limit take, not method bandwagon.  How ever if this outfitter is abusing the baiting and damaging the herd that needs to be looked at.  Obviously they don't have enough ethics to self regulate,  probably they shouldn't be able to provide guide service.


Which speaks to another issue,  should WA impose stricter regulations and licensing on guide services?  That would give them a much bigger hammer to threaten an unscrupulous guide that's tossing apples by the dump truck load.

[jnevs23]

So are the guys who will be enforcing this potential ban the same guys that earlier this year stopped enforcing fishing violations such as fishing without a license?

[RadSav]

So reduce tags. Just because a method is successful doesn't meant it should be taken away.

That's it right there!  If the nine day season isn't controlling harvest numbers then limiting hunters "In that GMU" is the next step.  Voting to eliminate all baiting in the state because you can not get the state to single out your neighbors doesn't make any sense.


And just for clarification;
Before moving to Vancouver 90+% of my deer hunting time in this state was spent in Okanogan and Chelan Counties.  So I do know it quite well.  Just in case someone else was wondering if I have ever stepped foot in those GMU's   If I had to guess probably 18 to 20 of my WA muledeer came from one of those five late season GMU's.  All archery.  I don't think I have ever killed a muledeer with a rifle.  So maybe you can flip me crap about that

[Jonathan_S]

So reduce tags. Just because a method is successful doesn't meant it should be taken away.

That's it right there!  If the nine day season isn't controlling harvest numbers then limiting hunters "In that GMU" is the next step.  Voting to eliminate all baiting in the state because you can not get the state to single out your neighbors doesn't make any sense.


And just for clarification;
Before moving to Vancouver 90+% of my deer hunting time in this state was spent in Okanogan and Chelan Counties.  So I do know it quite well.  Just in case someone else was wondering if I have ever stepped foot in those GMU's   If I had to guess probably 18 to 20 of my WA muledeer came from one of those five late season GMU's.  All archery.  I don't think I have ever killed a muledeer with a rifle.  So maybe you can flip me crap about that

Right but where do you LIVE?




 

[RadSav]

Right but where do you LIVE?

11505 Ne Fourth Plain Rd, Vancouver, WA 98662

That is a Sportsman's Warehouse, but if you ask the angry squaw she will tell you that is where I live