I hate to open this can again but.....

[MtnMuley]

Jeez, loki, I never thought I was an "idiot" because I cared about our herd health before I cared about filling my tag. I'm sorry.

You said it I guess.  Give me any example of how the "herd health" is being damaged by baiting!

As I've stated in many of previous posts, the north central Washington mule deer herds are being slammed by baiting during open seasons post rut when the mature bucks are very susceptible of being lured in by a dump truck load of bait. If that's okay with you then fine. It's not okay by me.

Honest question but what central wa post rut mule deer hunts are you talking about? Permit hunts?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. No clue, yet making  previous assumptions.

[WARHORSE]

Thers no law sayin you cant rub penut butter all over yer ba!!$ and invite yer nieghbors dog over for a snack either......but i dont see many guys jumpin up and runnin to the store for a jar of jiffy.   But if the game dept said you cant you all would prob throw a fit!

Simply ignorant

Simply honest

[vandeman17]

Jeez, loki, I never thought I was an "idiot" because I cared about our herd health before I cared about filling my tag. I'm sorry.

You said it I guess.  Give me any example of how the "herd health" is being damaged by baiting!

As I've stated in many of previous posts, the north central Washington mule deer herds are being slammed by baiting during open seasons post rut when the mature bucks are very susceptible of being lured in by a dump truck load of bait. If that's okay with you then fine. It's not okay by me.

Honest question but what central wa post rut mule deer hunts are you talking about? Permit hunts?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. No clue, yet making  previous assumptions.

Jeez, loki, I never thought I was an "idiot" because I cared about our herd health before I cared about filling my tag. I'm sorry.

You said it I guess.  Give me any example of how the "herd health" is being damaged by baiting!

As I've stated in many of previous posts, the north central Washington mule deer herds are being slammed by baiting during open seasons post rut when the mature bucks are very susceptible of being lured in by a dump truck load of bait. If that's okay with you then fine. It's not okay by me.

Honest question but what central wa post rut mule deer hunts are you talking about? Permit hunts?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. No clue, yet making  previous assumptions.

So asking what you are referring to means I have no knowledge. Wow, that's deep man. You spout off your feelings like its gospel and anyone who opposes doesn't know anything and is wrong. Yep makes perfect sense to me

[MtnMuley]

Read into it how ever you'd like. I could care less. I talk facts about things I'm serious towards regardless who I offend.   

[idahohuntr]

I could understand and support some greater regulation on baiting.  Establish types, locations, units, areas, setups, etc. that allow baiting but in a more regulated manner than a free for all.  Identify the conflict/problem areas or exceptionally vulnerable deer etc., and limit baiting in those areas.  I think it is lazy and uninformed for wdfw to even consider a complete ban statewide when they admit there is no major biological issue. 

I'm just shocked they didn't come up with something like a point/application system for an E/W baiting permit where folks buy applications or points for $10/piece so that we can have a crack at one of the $200/piece baiting permits of which only 5,000 are available   

[huntnnw]

What they are referring to is the late archery mule deer hunt in 209 and 215 in Nov...there is a outfitter that baits them and does well..there has been several hunting shows filmed there

[huntnnw]

or like a ID bear bait tag...this state is all about money..they could sold bait tags at $20 a pop and you could run 3 baits per.

[vandeman17]

Read into it how ever you'd like. I could care less. I talk facts about things I'm serious towards regardless who I offend.   

That is fine but to question another hunters knowledge because he has different opinions is a little off base. I am done with this thread and will continue to say that if actual biologists say that baiting is a detriment to the herds then I have no issues with it being banned but until then, why any hunter would want to take away hunting methods from others because they don't like it is beyond me

[vandeman17]

What they are referring to is the late archery mule deer hunt in 209 and 215 in Nov...there is a outfitter that baits them and does well..there has been several hunting shows filmed there

That was all I was asking but I guess since I couldn't read his mind I havr no knowledge 

[Jonathan_S]

why any hunter would want to take away hunting methods from others because they don't like it is beyond me

This is the root of the problem that others don't have the cajones to answer.

[huntnnw]

problem is most of us on here that are regulars...live to hunt. The majority of hunters out there are weekend warriors.Its just something to do come fall and thats it for them. Hunting isnt a priority to them like some of us who breathe it.

[grundy53]

This will limit or eliminate some hunters. I think it is a crappy deal. Very selfish of others to take away an option for others.

Where you have total influence of a state resource at your hands?  What happened to free chase.  They heard up like cattle and come to the bait like a crack head looking for a fix.  One can pull most the surrounding state resources to a specific location, whether private land or an undisclosed location.  If it is private land, it maintains optimal harvest for a select few.  It makes for a very uneven playing field, if you own land and can't maintain the animals on it, enhance it.  Don't pile up the bait as it no longer is hunting it becomes harvesting.
As hunters, can you not put in the boot work, scouting, glassing the hills in order to harvest an animal?  I know many that do this and are great hunters.  The way the generations before us did.  Or is that not functional for a ground blind with a cooler in it?  It's not selfish, it's FAIR chase for a state resource plain and simple.  Due to the internet age, you just see a lot more trying it out.  I have a buddy that argues about this every time I see him.  He now has 20 nice bulls under his belt and everyone has been shot in the same location.  The salt hole is about 4' deep now.  He will give me crap for posting this, but it just goes to show what bait can do for an individual.  I usually see the bull he shoots before he shoots it thanks to his trail camera.  He knows the times they come in, etc.

I would be curious to know your stance on Calls and decoys for waterfowl.

[huntnnw]

this guy must be in the 1%...cause I have tried it all and alot and its not that easy!

[grundy53]

Jeez, loki, I never thought I was an "idiot" because I cared about our herd health before I cared about filling my tag. I'm sorry.

You said it I guess.  Give me any example of how the "herd health" is being damaged by baiting!

As I've stated in many of previous posts, the north central Washington mule deer herds are being slammed by baiting during open seasons post rut when the mature bucks are very susceptible of being lured in by a dump truck load of bait. If that's okay with you then fine. It's not okay by me.

So It's ok to take away many hunters preferred hunting method because of a few bad apples? Seams like a slippery slope to me. EVERY hunting method has a few bad apples.

[smalldog]

A lot of hunters are their own worst enemy. Their are people with replaced hips, knees, back surgery and are never the same. Quit picking on the way some people hunt, some day you may have to hunt that way or give up the sport. I have killed a lot of animals with a recurve and a longbow and I use to hate compounds. As my shoulders started giving me a problem I turned to the compound so I could keep hunting with a bow. After five shoulder surgery's I use a draw-lock on my bow so I can still hunt. I am 66yrs old and over the years I have done very well taking some nice animals. I love archery and have been hunting since I was a young teenager. I have seen a lot of changes over the years and most has been the mentality of the hunter. Now a lot of the hunters are a lot like liberals, if they don't like the way someone else hunts then, they want to make it illegal instead of freedom of choice to choose which way we would like to hunt. A lot of hunters are not showing the respect to other hunters and honoring their choice to choose the way they want to hunt.   Maybe one day they will try to make it illegal to use tree stands or scents or rattleing antlers or grunt tubes or elk bugles.   I sat over apples forty years ago hunting blacktails and have sat over bait to kill bears when that was legal and over scraps and over bait for whitetail deer. Sometimes those methods work and sometimes they don't.  Anybody who says its like shooting ducks in a pond doesn't know what he is talking about.  I love archer, I have gun hunted and muzzelload hunted and I have met a lot of hunters over the years and liked most of them. I respect the way and the type of weapon he chooses to hunt with and have tried about every method of hunting that is legal and like all the different ways. The nice thing about the different ways to hunt is it gives you options to choose according to the type of terrain and climate and vegetation that you are going to hunt.     I think I am rambeling on hear