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Quote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 05:33:03 PM I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.It's obviously not as important to you as it is me. When I watch something that is very important to me get abused thus creating negative affects on the herd as a whole, it becomes my number one concern. I don't feel you're seeing true problem here, but merely standing up for the majority in your shoes.
I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.
Quote from: MtnMuley on October 30, 2014, 06:23:47 PMQuote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 05:33:03 PM I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.It's obviously not as important to you as it is me. When I watch something that is very important to me get abused thus creating negative affects on the herd as a whole, it becomes my number one concern. I don't feel you're seeing true problem here, but merely standing up for the majority in your shoes.So...bingo...make baiting illegal for the whole d@mn state. I'm not saying that the NCW Mule Deer herd doesn't deserve your representation but that's not how we should fix problems in 2-3 GMUs.
Quote from: Jonathan_S on October 30, 2014, 06:40:47 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on October 30, 2014, 06:23:47 PMQuote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 05:33:03 PM I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.It's obviously not as important to you as it is me. When I watch something that is very important to me get abused thus creating negative affects on the herd as a whole, it becomes my number one concern. I don't feel you're seeing true problem here, but merely standing up for the majority in your shoes.So...bingo...make baiting illegal for the whole d@mn state. I'm not saying that the NCW Mule Deer herd doesn't deserve your representation but that's not how we should fix problems in 2-3 GMUs.I never said baiting should be banned as a whole. I have zero problem with 90% of it if it's the way you choose to hunt. I could really care less. Once again, when it has had a very negative affect in a few certain areas, I will fully support an adaption to the rule.
Quote from: MtnMuley on October 30, 2014, 06:23:47 PMQuote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 05:33:03 PM I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.It's obviously not as important to you as it is me. When I watch something that is very important to me get abused thus creating negative affects on the herd as a whole, it becomes my number one concern. I don't feel you're seeing true problem here, but merely standing up for the majority in your shoes.Not exactly sure what my shoes have to do with anything, but you are right that I am not seeing a problem here. I look at harvest rates, deer numbers and deer quality harvests and don't see where baiting is a big enough issue to have had an effect. So many other things such as predation, open range bovine, weather and fire seem to effect as much if not more. And the whole sticky label thing that gets pooped out and passed by the deer...I've never seen a label in poo or in the woods. And spending as much time as I have in the woods I expect that isn't as big a huge environmental disaster as it is portrayed. Could it effect one property owner along side another? Well, perhaps! But, as a statewide issue? I doubt it has much of an effect on the price of my shoes either way!
MnM, where is your evidence? Empirical data? Studies? If you don't like it in your area, get the county or city or whatever you live in to do something. Why condone something that will effect the entire state?Like I said, I see (or have heard) deer herds are hurting in the eastern part of the state, therefore I THINK ALL DEER HUNTING IN EASTERN WASHINGTON SHOULD BE PERMIT ONLY, ESPECIALLY IN OKANAGON COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How do all of you eastside hunters supporting baiting bans like that idea?
Some of you guys are missing the main point. I didn't bring this back up to start another poop storm over a topic that has been discussed to exhaustion. I brought it up because PRESSURE TO IMPLEMENT THIS BAN CAME FROM HUNTERS!!This one isn't coming from the anti's! The groundswell of this movement is from hunters and mostly a particular user group! I'm not going to name any names because I hate this sort of class warfare where we pit ourselves against one another. The pressure on WDFW didn't come form liberals or lefties or coasties or any other slang term for a group you don't like. It started with your fellow hunters! That's the part that is the most depressing to me.
Quote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 06:39:51 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on October 30, 2014, 06:23:47 PMQuote from: RadSav on October 30, 2014, 05:33:03 PM I think there are much more important things to address than these minor issues that lead to loss of personal freedoms.It's obviously not as important to you as it is me. When I watch something that is very important to me get abused thus creating negative affects on the herd as a whole, it becomes my number one concern. I don't feel you're seeing true problem here, but merely standing up for the majority in your shoes.Not exactly sure what my shoes have to do with anything, but you are right that I am not seeing a problem here. I look at harvest rates, deer numbers and deer quality harvests and don't see where baiting is a big enough issue to have had an effect. So many other things such as predation, open range bovine, weather and fire seem to effect as much if not more. And the whole sticky label thing that gets pooped out and passed by the deer...I've never seen a label in poo or in the woods. And spending as much time as I have in the woods I expect that isn't as big a huge environmental disaster as it is portrayed. Could it effect one property owner along side another? Well, perhaps! But, as a statewide issue? I doubt it has much of an effect on the price of my shoes either way!I have seen piles of crap with apple stickers in it! I have hunted over bait i have killed deer over bait! Not my thing! I know first hand what baiting is all about, what it intails and how it effects the deer, Unlike u You i wouldnt pop off about somthing i havnt seen first hand. If i knew nothing about the issue i would keep my mouth shut.
Unlike u You i wouldnt pop off about somthing i havnt seen first hand. If i knew nothing about the issue i would keep my mouth shut.