OPPOSE ANY RESTRICTION ON BAITING - EMAIL TO WDFW

[sirchman]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

[Jonathan_S]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

Easy enough to think that and don't take offense but it shows that you don't have experience in this field.

These animals are much smarter and more wary of bait piles than you think.  Sure they'll come in but they approach so cautiously that they bust most hunters and they usually don't come in until nightfall.

[Jonathan_S]

Just like all those videos that people go out at yell something and then a ton of pet deer come running. Baiting is a canned hunt and seen negatively by the public

You're hilarious.  There is no such thing as a canned hunt, particularly when you're talking about a few flakes of alfalfa which constitutes 99% of baiting.  Citing the behavior of golf course deer is what non-hunters usually do.

What if I tell you that I think long range hunting is a canned hunt and is seen negatively by the public? 

[huntnnw]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

wow another misinformed individual who knows nothing about baiting. I have at just this year in Nov and Dec over 100 hrs in treestands waiting on these so called "trained deer" to come in. I have seen 1 mature whitetail in this time frame

[bhawley76]

I just wish all these trained deer would learn to come out in the daylight. I need to become a professional deer trainer I would make millions.

[longrangehunter338]

Just like all those videos that people go out at yell something and then a ton of pet deer come running. Baiting is a canned hunt and seen negatively by the public

You're hilarious.  There is no such thing as a canned hunt, particularly when you're talking about a few flakes of alfalfa which constitutes 99% of baiting.  Citing the behavior of golf course deer is what non-hunters usually do.

What if I tell you that I think long range hunting is a canned hunt and is seen negatively by the public?

Canned hunt as in a high fenced hunt, here are two videos of so called "golf course deer"
If you read the thread "setting the record straight" longrangehunting is hunting out of a backpack and the 338 is the ruger guide gun in 338 I enjoy shooting. Shooting a game animal over bait will be seen negatively by the public just like high fence game farms or more recently:

http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/environmental/onlookers-dismayed-by-elk-herding-hunters/article_a21e928d-926e-5fd9-b92c-9886d4d0fe3e.html

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/wildlife/hunters-repeat-townsend-area-elk-slaughter/article_945a8672-7a85-11e4-8da4-ef0ac73cbdd5.html

http://www.eptrail.com/estes-park-news/ci_26962852/elk-hunting-near-estes-park-neighborhood-raises-concern

THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC READS AND VOTES ON JUST LIKE 594 WHERE COMMERCIALS BRAIN WASH THE PUBLIC AND SOME HOW SHOW DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SUICIDE IS REDUCED WITH MORE BACK GROUND CHECKS.

[sirchman]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

wow another misinformed individual who knows nothing about baiting. I have at just this year in Nov and Dec over 100 hrs in treestands waiting on these so called "trained deer" to come in. I have seen 1 mature whitetail in this time frame

Since I am so misinformed I had to go back and look up the definition of training. Training- the action of teaching a person or animal a specific skill type or behavior. Apparently baiting is incredibly difficult and time consuming so we should change the regulations on it. I propose we open baiting up year round and give out second and third deer tags because the people on this forum have convinced me that it is super inefficient.  I think hunters would be better served if they started worrying more about public opinion than the opinions of other hunters.

[billythekidrock]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

wow another misinformed individual who knows nothing about baiting. I have at just this year in Nov and Dec over 100 hrs in treestands waiting on these so called "trained deer" to come in. I have seen 1 mature whitetail in this time frame

Since I am so misinformed I had to go back and look up the definition of training. Training- the action of teaching a person or animal a specific skill type or behavior. Apparently baiting is incredibly difficult and time consuming so we should change the regulations on it. I propose we open baiting up year round and give out second and third deer tags because the people on this forum have convinced me that it is super inefficient.  I think hunters would be better served if they started worrying more about public opinion than the opinions of other hunters.

Hunters would be better served if we stuck together and stopped trying to change the experience for others.

[Seabass]

To those who are opposed to baiting: how does baiting adversely affect you?

[sirchman]

To those who are opposed to baiting: how does baiting adversely affect you?

Does something have to directly affect you to have an opinion on it? Other than my ethical objection to it, it hurts the public opinion of hunters as a whole, which like it or not adversely affects all of us.

[SCRUBS]

By baiting you are essentially training an animal to come in. I see why people want to do it but I think it gives people an improper advantage over the animal.

wow another misinformed individual who knows nothing about baiting. I have at just this year in Nov and Dec over 100 hrs in treestands waiting on these so called "trained deer" to come in. I have seen 1 mature whitetail in this time frame

Since I am so misinformed I had to go back and look up the definition of training. Training- the action of teaching a person or animal a specific skill type or behavior. Apparently baiting is incredibly difficult and time consuming so we should change the regulations on it. I propose we open baiting up year round and give out second and third deer tags because the people on this forum have convinced me that it is super inefficient.  I think hunters would be better served if they started worrying more about public opinion than the opinions of other hunters.

Hunters would be better served if we stuck together and stopped trying to change the experience for others.

 

[T Pearce]

Emotion rules the polls.

My late dear friend voted against bear baiting..... I took him to the woods for bear the next few seasons and he apologized every time we went out. The media convinced him it was an "unfair practice". He had never pursued bears and had nothing to base his decision on other than what he was told by the media........

Politics "The Game of Misconceptions"

[KFhunter]

To those who are opposed to baiting: how does baiting adversely affect you?

Does something have to directly affect you to have an opinion on it? Other than my ethical objection to it, it hurts the public opinion of hunters as a whole, which like it or not adversely affects all of us.

ethical?  Please explain how baiting is unethical and while you're at it please explain just how detrimental baiting is to the public perception of hunters as a whole.

What adversely affects you and I is a loss of opportunity; you're advocating for a loss of that opportunity for many hunters who choose to bait for one reason or another. 

I guarantee you that eventually -as opportunity is chipped away- something will be on the chopping block that you cherish as your personal hunting tradition.   You'll be up in arms screaming on HW how your being adversely affected by a stupid rule and I'll gently remind everyone how you and others on HW advocated to have baiting removed; doing your part to help usher in more rules and less opportunity to hunt for fellow hunters and huntresses.


We must stop foolishly advocating for further losses to our hunting privileges and start helping secure more opportunity for future generations of hunters.

[sirchman]

To those who are opposed to baiting: how does baiting adversely affect you?

Does something have to directly affect you to have an opinion on it? Other than my ethical objection to it, it hurts the public opinion of hunters as a whole, which like it or not adversely affects all of us.

ethical?  Please explain how baiting is unethical and while you're at it please explain just how detrimental baiting is to the public perception of hunters as a whole.

What adversely affects you and I is a loss of opportunity; you're advocating for a loss of that opportunity for many hunters who choose to bait for one reason or another. 

I guarantee you that eventually -as opportunity is chipped away- something will be on the chopping block that you cherish as your personal hunting tradition.   You'll be up in arms screaming on HW how your being adversely affected by a stupid rule and I'll gently remind everyone how you and others on HW advocated to have baiting removed; doing your part to help usher in more rules and less opportunity to hunt for fellow hunters and huntresses.


We must stop foolishly advocating for further losses to our hunting privileges and start helping secure more opportunity for future generations of hunters.

Is introducing something that plays on animals most basic survival needs considered fair chase? You are right I am advocating for the loss of this opportunity because it is an opportunity that should never have been had. Obviously explaining myself isn't going to change anyone's opinion on HW. Let us agree to disagree on the matter.

[idahohuntr]

Sirchman, one of the biggest issues confronting the future of hunting is recruitment and retention of hunters.  Baiting can provide a more controlled environment to mentor a new hunter or help a disabled/senior hunter continue to hunt when they become mobility impaired.  Would you support baiting in those circumstances?