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You will not sway your opposition by harsh and confrontational language. Only educated and well thought out responses are going to help gain understanding of the issue at hand. This is debate 101. If you're using harsh rhetoric all you're doing is solidifying those who already think as you do. You're giving out red meat and alienating anyone with a slightly different perspective. These people can be brought to your side with some education, some can't. for my It sounds like there is one outfitter responsible for bringing this baiting issue to a head by literally dumping dump truck loads of apples and other bait in the woods, making large numbers of animals congregate in one area. This is detrimental to a herd because it groups up the animals making predators also group up = easy pickings. Mule deer need to be dispersed to survive predators and keep a strong genetic pool. Unfortunately WDFW is thinking of using a sledge hammer instead of a scalpel, banning the use of bait statewide instead of addressing this very regional and localized problem. The average bait pile in the woods usually consists of a sack of corn or two, a salt lick sometimes flavored sometimes not and perhaps a small 1/4 bushel of apples. This is harmless as the bait is gone in a matter of days/week leaving the salt lick. These bait piles are as dispersed as the deer herds and temporary. The outfitter is making giant bait piles and worse long lasting bait stations year after year, he's creating a false habitat and grouping large numbers of animals. This needs to be addressed.
We as hunters enjoy the same things. The outdoors, the animals, the meat in the freezer, ect. We enjoy these RIGHTS. To keep these rights, we as a small group need to stick together. Maybe some describe those unwilling to stand up for the hunting community's rights "anti-hunters" or maybe they're "not team players". I see it as "anti-team" personally. Call it what you want. This is what it comes down to. This is an issue attacking the hunting communities rights, just in the baiting department this time. Next year the issue may be against the rifle hunters. We're asking for your help now, and in return we're gonna stand by you next time to help protect your issue.... LIKE TEAM MEMBERS DO.
Quote from: KFhunter on November 02, 2014, 09:07:31 AMYou will not sway your opposition by harsh and confrontational language. Only educated and well thought out responses are going to help gain understanding of the issue at hand. This is debate 101. If you're using harsh rhetoric all you're doing is solidifying those who already think as you do. You're giving out red meat and alienating anyone with a slightly different perspective. These people can be brought to your side with some education, some can't. for my It sounds like there is one outfitter responsible for bringing this baiting issue to a head by literally dumping dump truck loads of apples and other bait in the woods, making large numbers of animals congregate in one area. This is detrimental to a herd because it groups up the animals making predators also group up = easy pickings. Mule deer need to be dispersed to survive predators and keep a strong genetic pool. Unfortunately WDFW is thinking of using a sledge hammer instead of a scalpel, banning the use of bait statewide instead of addressing this very regional and localized problem. The average bait pile in the woods usually consists of a sack of corn or two, a salt lick sometimes flavored sometimes not and perhaps a small 1/4 bushel of apples. This is harmless as the bait is gone in a matter of days/week leaving the salt lick. These bait piles are as dispersed as the deer herds and temporary. The outfitter is making giant bait piles and worse long lasting bait stations year after year, he's creating a false habitat and grouping large numbers of animals. This needs to be addressed.Who is this outfitter I keep hearing about and what unit/area are we talking about?
You will not sway your opposition by harsh and confrontational language. Only educated and well thought out responses are going to help gain understanding of the issue at hand. This is debate 101. If you're using harsh rhetoric all you're doing is solidifying those who already think as you do. You're giving out red meat and alienating anyone with a slightly different perspective. for my
Quote from: oldleclercrd on November 02, 2014, 09:07:45 AMWe as hunters enjoy the same things. The outdoors, the animals, the meat in the freezer, ect. We enjoy these RIGHTS. To keep these rights, we as a small group need to stick together. Maybe some describe those unwilling to stand up for the hunting community's rights "anti-hunters" or maybe they're "not team players". I see it as "anti-team" personally. Call it what you want. This is what it comes down to. This is an issue attacking the hunting communities rights, just in the baiting department this time. Next year the issue may be against the rifle hunters. We're asking for your help now, and in return we're gonna stand by you next time to help protect your issue.... LIKE TEAM MEMBERS DO.I don't think they are anti-hunters... I just say they are supporting an anti-hunter position.... because they are...it's a fact.
Quote from: DBHAWTHORNE on November 02, 2014, 09:16:58 AMQuote from: oldleclercrd on November 02, 2014, 09:07:45 AMWe as hunters enjoy the same things. The outdoors, the animals, the meat in the freezer, ect. We enjoy these RIGHTS. To keep these rights, we as a small group need to stick together. Maybe some describe those unwilling to stand up for the hunting community's rights "anti-hunters" or maybe they're "not team players". I see it as "anti-team" personally. Call it what you want. This is what it comes down to. This is an issue attacking the hunting communities rights, just in the baiting department this time. Next year the issue may be against the rifle hunters. We're asking for your help now, and in return we're gonna stand by you next time to help protect your issue.... LIKE TEAM MEMBERS DO.I don't think they are anti-hunters... I just say they are supporting an anti-hunter position.... because they are...it's a fact.They aren't rights, hunting is a privilege in WA and that needs to be changed. Hunting nationwide needs to be a RIGHT. We also need to stop chipping away at all the various forms of hunting, trapping and other various form of outdoor recreation. It's getting pathetic. They can't enforce the laws (WDFW) we have yet strive to make more. We have Russians gilnetting the mouths of streams and they very rarely get caught. We have areas of poacher communities where you will not find a deer within 10 miles of those communities. We have black market elk buyers, bear gall buyers...the list goes on and on and on.....Yet WDFW continues to further restrict the legal ethical hunter while doing very little to the most egregious poachers. It's backwards logic; WDFW should be facilitating legal ethical hunting while going after those egregious poachers.
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We need to take a lesson from the LGBT community. LGBT make up less than 4% of the overall population but due to their cohesion have secured tremendous ground in legal protections and public acceptance. QuoteThe Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that 1.7 percent of American adults identify as gay or lesbian, while another 1.8 percent identify as bisexual.Because we are the few and they are the many doesn't mean with a little more cohesion in the hunting community we can't accomplish more and save what little opportunity we have. Instead we all bicker and in-fight and worse vote away one another's privileges because they aren't what 'we' think of as fair chase hunt.
