OPPOSE ANY RESTRICTION ON BAITING - EMAIL TO WDFW

[dreamunelk]

Pay attention to the last sentence.  We are setting ourselves up far a fall if we don't use reason.  Ton's of apples and feeders will end baiting for us. 

http://ckwri.tamuk.edu/fileadmin/user_upload/PHOTOS/Deer-Research_Program/Class_files/The_Nutritional__Ecological__and_Ethical_Arguments_Against_Baiting_and_Feeding_White-tailed_Deer_Brown.pdf

An interesting article.
http://missoulian.com/lifestyles/recreation/bait-hunts-cause-host-of-problems-for-wildlife-habitat-and/article_0ba87436-2524-11e3-aa82-001a4bcf887a.html

This is a highly controversial subject.  If hunters don't step up to identify ways to make baiting more palatable to the middle of the road public.  The middle of the road public may vote in a direction that will further destroy our heritage. 

[Special T]

How is it that there is a bill to bring back bear baiting yet there is this BS to eliminate baiting for deer and elk? 

[dreamunelk]

How is it that there is a bill to bring back bear baiting yet there is this BS to eliminate baiting for deer and elk? 

Because hunters brought it to the table.  That is how it works.

[Special T]

I know... I followed the postings... To me it just shows how ham fisted the WDFW actually is!

[drk9988]

Dont get me wrong I am 100% ok with the 10 gallon option.

[dreamunelk]

Dont get me wrong I am 100% ok with the 10 gallon option.

I think 5 gallons would be more defensible form a science end but, I think I can defend ten gallons.   

[bobcat]

Just remember they may start with a 10 gallon limit then when they pull out their calculators and do some math they will decide to charge you for a permit to bait deer and elk like they are trying to do with bear right now. 

The proposal for baiting bears was not written by the WDFW.

[bobcat]

Just FYI:

No Bait Allowed:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

Baiting Allowed In Entire State:

Arizona, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington

Baiting Only In Selected Areas:

Connecticut, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Wisconsin
- See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/hooksandbullets/2008/10/14/deer-baiting-across-the-us/#sthash.5itFXjkG.dpuf

[JimmyHoffa]

Just FYI:

No Bait Allowed:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

Baiting Allowed In Entire State:

Arizona, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington

Baiting Only In Selected Areas:

Connecticut, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Wisconsin
- See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/hooksandbullets/2008/10/14/deer-baiting-across-the-us/#sthash.5itFXjkG.dpuf

did Alaska change?  Thought you could still bait bears. 

[bobcat]

Just FYI:

No Bait Allowed:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

Baiting Allowed In Entire State:

Arizona, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington

Baiting Only In Selected Areas:

Connecticut, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Wisconsin
- See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/hooksandbullets/2008/10/14/deer-baiting-across-the-us/#sthash.5itFXjkG.dpuf

did Alaska change?  Thought you could still bait bears. 

This article was about baiting deer, not bears.

[JimmyHoffa]

oops missed that part............

[Rainier10]

Posted this another thread also.
I think the most important thing at this point is to go to the comment section of the proposals and send a message saying that you are against any kind of restriction on baiting.  If they get enough squeaky wheels complaining the other way they will remove it from the proposal at the March meeting.  Just state that you are against the restriction, their proposal even says in it that there is no scientific study to back up whether it hurts or helps the herd.  Also state how many in your hunting party are against it and that you and none of them were contacted during the telephone survey.

I have been to these approval meetings before and if enough people make an argument one way they often times go with it.

It is not too late to have them just strike both options from the upcoming regs and leave things status quo.  I have seen it before and hope that they do it again on this subject.

Go here and click on the "view and comment" button, then on the next page click on the "Start commenting" on the side of all three proposals and let your voice be heard.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/

[Special T]

I strongly oppose any change to baiting laws. I was not contacted on the survey. Comments on hunting season regs in this fashion should require our Wild ID# Since I buy tags I have a Vested interest in the rules. Comments made without Wild ID# have no proof of that interest. The department is mandated to use sound science to make rules not public opinion polls. It is not sound logic to ban bait because of one incident that got bad press.

[Rainier10]

I strongly oppose any change to baiting laws. I was not contacted on the survey. Comments on hunting season regs in this fashion should require our Wild ID# Since I buy tags I have a Vested interest in the rules. Comments made without Wild ID# have no proof of that interest. The department is mandated to use sound science to make rules not public opinion polls. It is not sound logic to ban bait because of one incident that got bad press.

Great comment and I hope you sent that to the WDFW on the comment section.  This is the exact thing that they need to hear.

On the survey that was sent out they had over 60% against a change, in the phone survey it was just the opposite.  I would trust the email survey where you had to have a wild ID number over a phone survey any day.

[BABackcountryBwhntr]

I've been baiting blacktails for three years now and have yet to be successful. In fact in all that time I've only had one deer come in to the apples while I was sitting in the blind, and it was a little fawn, and even at that, it was right at dark with only 5 minutes of legal time left. I get plenty of pictures with the trail camera, but of course, they're all at night.

My buddy and I did it one year on private ground close to a city. And we did it up well! Found the perfect spots for both stands. Started in late summer. We had a hook up for apples and filled garbage cans full of them on a weakly basis when they got in season. Before that it was bags a week of rolled corn an molasses. We ended up with well over a thousand pics on the cams. Some cool ones with coons and deer in the same pics. We had several pic's of two different good bucks. Not one in the daylight even in the summer. But we kept packing those apples out there. We planned on hunting it in the late season. Last day of the regular season we got rained and fogged out up high and decided to sit in our stands that last afternnon. I saw two small bucks basically come running in (not to the bait) chasing does. We thought it was going to be magical come the late season.

Didn't work out exactly that way. Even the few close to town does were wary coming into the bait. Never saw a single buck in two full days come in. I did shoot a small 4 point still hunting the last day a half mile away. Looking at the time and effort we put into that it was one of my hardest hunts I ever did. The pic's we got made it worth it. These guys that seems to think it is some easy slam dunk cheating thing are fools. I guess I shouldn't call them fools, they just don't know any better.

My bet us these are the guys that haven't had much success filling tags no matter what they did. They probably tried to go dump off a five gallon bucket of apples once and expected the deer to roll in. When that didn't happen they jumped on the outlaw it bandwagon, why should others have success when they can't?

Great post! we bait here in oregon and the first year we took 2 book bucks, but it was just like you said... tons of apples all summer long and night time pics over and over... we only had 4 days that a buck was on cam in the day.. 2 of those day we were lucky enough to be in stand... this year we had 2 big bucks on cam.. the big 4x4 showed up 3 days all season.. we were not in stand on those days.. we passed a few smaller bucks and one nice 3x3.. it is far far from easy and requires tons of work to do it properly.