Legislative Dereliction of Duty on I-594 and I-591

[sakoshooter]

Thanx a lot for posting that info. You can bet your bottom dollar I'll be sending a few emails out very soon.

[Fl0und3rz]

What alternatives would you have supported?

This is not the thread you are looking for.  There are several other threads that  discuss alternatives from will not comply to expanded exemptions to opening background systems to private individuals to personal liability for selling to felons/DVs.

[hub]

I find it  interesting the legislature can vote to pass an initiative but cannot vote it down and round file it.   Seems that the people can accept or reject an initiative. I don,t get it. Looks like 1351 passed. I cannot imagine how the legislature is going to fund 1351 without passing an income tax and increasing the gas tax to another buck a gallon.   I do believe the legislature can tax us with a simple majority vote. Tim Eymans initiative to require a 2/3 majority vote in the legislature was thrown out by the state supreme court since the state constitution does not require a super majority. Its going to get real interesting when the legislature meets in January and faces the results of voter approved initiatives. 

[huntrights]

We were warned that initiatives similar to I-594 would spread to other states if I-594 passed in Washington.
Here it comes:

"Gun background checks: Nevada is next target state"
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2014/11/13/gun-background-checks-nevada-is-next-target-state/

[Curly]

Let me see if I have this straight. 

The legislature failed to act on these, so the initiatives went to a vote of the people.  Now that they've passed, they go back to the legislature?  Now the legislature has to decide what to do with them?  The legislature can decide to throw them out or parts of them?  Seems crazy to me............

Am I confused or what?   

[blackdog]

The legislature can amend 594 with a 2/3's vote in the next two years, after that it is a simple majority to amend.

[Windwalker]

 

 The steps up through the vote are laid out and pretty easy to find - after that things get fuzzy.
 
 The Secretary of State is involved but as far as I know our only hope is waiting for the state Attorney General to issue an advisory opinion interpreting it.
 I expect that to take some of the edges off the initiative...but not all.

 It will be on the books and a thorn in the side of FFL dealers for two years.
 Only up side is knowing most LEOs and some prosecutors will refuse to enforce the law.

[huntrights]

We were warned if I-594 passed in Washington, the pursuit of the same type of anti-gun initiatives and legislation would be pursued in other states.  They continue to mislead people into thinking this is just about background checks on firearm sales.  They fail to mention that simple and innocent temporary transfers/loans of firearms are the primary issues with their anti-gun initiatives.  The devil is in the details so they don't want to discuss those anti-gun details.,

"Bloomberg gun-control group targets more than 12 states"
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/12/bloomberg-gun-control-group-targets-more-than-12-states.aspx

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/02/bloomberg-plans-gun-control-push-in-states/19785161/

Excerpts from the article:

"Americans for Responsible Solutions PAC, a gun-control super PAC started by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, spent $10.5 million on politics this year. Pia Carusone, a senior adviser to the group, said ballot initiatives are a "promising" way for gun-control proponents to take their case directly to voters."

""They have come up with a strategy that seems to be working so far," said Robert Spitzer, a political scientist at State University of New York-Cortland and an expert on gun politics. "For the first time in gun-politics history, the NRA is being outspent by the pro-gun control forces.""

What they don't say is that the NRA is made up of millions of regular, everyday people that believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.  They don't focus on the fact that it is just a few anti-gun billionaires funding these anti-gun initiatives.

If you haven't already joined and contributed to the NRA, NOW is the time to do so.

National Rifle Association (NRA)
http://home.nra.org/
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp 

The battle has not ended.  Please donate to Protect Our Gun Rights
http://wagunrights.org/

[Little Dave]

Many public officials in our state are required to swear this oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the state of Washington, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of ... to the best of my ability."

What I would like to see is an amendment which dishonorably discharges persons who have sworn this oath from their role or office and, permanently removes eligibility to enter into a role or office requiring this oath any individual that has rendered support of any kind to a petition, initiative, or bill which becomes law later determined to be unconstitutional.

The oath needs to mean something and the Constitution taken seriously.

 

[Fl0und3rz]

 

[Dave Workman]

As the guy who did most of the warning before everyone else, there's a related thread right now at:  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,166188.0.html

It would behoove all of you to jump over there and start reading.
Remember, the I-594 crowd insisted that hunting or hunter education would not be affected. Looks like that's not accurate. But you guys be the judge and jury.

[timberfaller]

 :tup:Little Dave

NOW there is a Initiative I could support!!!