Round-Up in Your Sandwich? Are our hoof-diseased elk eating Wonder Bread?

[Special T]

There are only 2 decent gluten free beers to be had. Harvest beer out of OR or greens makes a double dark that is awesome but its $7-8a pint at the grocery store. Light beer isnt worth drinking. Beer is the only thing I miss.

[RadSav]

If roundup is used on wheat and orchards then why would hoof rot only be an issue in SW Washington? 

I have worked on a few mid sized wheat ranches in SE WA. and have never seen Round-UP used to kill wheat stalks. We use round up and 2-4-D to kill weeds after harvest. In fact the only time I see round up used is on fallow fields I don't know anyone that sprays roundup on planted wheat.

That has been my experience in E. Oregon as well.

[T Pearce]

Every once in while we would have a cow come down with it (hoof rot) I dont recall the cause without looking it up. But dry lotting the animal was step one.
Probably various strains as well. Sounds like the strain the elk get can be spread. Maybe they all can be spread?

[motg9_6]

Seems to me like most people are more interested in pointing fingers than actually finding out what the real problem is. This is devestating the sw wa elk herd. We need to be pressuring RMEF wdfw and what ever agencies or groups we can to get some real studies done to find out what the real issue is. Otherwise we all can agree on what the results will be.  Arguing what we think may or May not be the issue is in my mind counter productive.

[t6]

Radsav...... Hoof rot is not only an issue to elk in SW WA.  Is in OR as well.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Guess we all need to stop drinking beer and eating bread  We are all domed no matter how we look at it ...

[montana44mag]

Another reason to eat organic as much as possible. My lady makes an awesome homemade organic pizza crust. 
I also dont hunt anywhere near farmland usually, but I guess the timberland is screwed now....just great.

[Greenhorn]

Pianoman, this is some sort of a hit job for an article.

 "Common wheat harvest protocol in the United States is to drench the wheat fields with Roundup several days before the combine harvesters work through the fields as the practice allows for an earlier, easier and bigger harvest
Pre-harvest application of the herbicide Roundup or other herbicides containing the deadly active ingredient glyphosate to wheat and barley as a desiccant was suggested as early as 1980.  It has since become routine over the past 15 years and is used as a drying agent 7-10 days before harvest within the conventional farming community."

We have about 2,000 acres of wheat that we have been "direct seeding" for the last 15 years and have never used Round-up in this manner.  I have never heard of Round-up being used like this with any of the farmers in the Horse Heaven hills in South Central WA.  We use Round-up pre-planting in the spring (about 16-24oz/acre) to kill anything green in the field and then we seed about 2 weeks later.  Sometimes we will also spray Round-up in the fall after harvest if there has been adequate rain to green things up before winter.  I think the article is ridiculous.

[LDennis24]

I don't know if everyone else who's in the know is afraid of the flack or what but I will tell you this...  I have a Commercial Applicator's License for Pesticides and work for a chemical company here in the Palouse and we sell almost 20,000 gallons of Round-up a year just at our facility. Round-up is used around 3-4 times a year on the same field, sometimes to control weeds and volunteer crop growth, sometimes to do whats called burn down. The Round-up is sprayed SEVERAL days before harvesting to dry out the crop and strong weeds such as china lettuce and thistle's. However, the majority of burndown is done using a chemical called Paraquat. If you wanna know about a bad chemical read up on Paraquat! It's bad news... my boss had a small droplet land on his eye several yrs ago and in about a minute his eye lids, top and bottom on the one eye that got hit, turned inside out and his eye was ready to pop out of his head. It's a very strong chemical, just like agent orange, that defoliates all plants that it touches and stop's growth for a period of time and dessicates the green part of plants. In turn making them easier to harvest. It's mostly used on pea's, lentil's, and garbanzo bean's around here because they stay green too long into and after harvest time. Round-up is definitely used alot more around here and in heavier doses than once or twice over a clearcut and we never have any elk or deer showing symptom's like SW washington animals have. I wonder what makes them think Round-up is responsible for this when it is a much wetter area than the Palouse which would dilute the chemical in a shorter period of time and make it much less effective and more than likely effect aquatic animals from run-off before animals eating the plants. 

[RadSav]

Radsav...... Hoof rot is not only an issue to elk in SW WA.  Is in OR as well.

I've only heard of a single case in Oregon.  Though I have seen a lot of posters and flyers asking folks to report sightings.  Where did you hear that Oregon is having a problem?  I'd like to read up on that!

[Bean Counter]

P-Man,

I am very, very slightly allergic to wheat but not enough to deter me from a good stack of pancakes or bowl of cereal (like I'm eating right now). Question: can a grower label wheat foods and still use Roundup type products? I know that just because its organic doesn't mean its herbicide/pesticide free.

[pianoman9701]

P-Man,

I am very, very slightly allergic to wheat but not enough to deter me from a good stack of pancakes or bowl of cereal (like I'm eating right now). Question: can a grower label wheat foods and still use Roundup type products? I know that just because its organic doesn't mean its herbicide/pesticide free.

I found this:

"...many people seek organic produce, believing organic food will be safer. Often, people do not consider that organic food may have been exposed to chemical solutions like pesticides and herbicides. In fact, United States law allows organic farmers to use pesticides and herbicides as long as they are made from natural sources. The U.S. Department of Agriculture permits substances such as chlorine, copper sulfate, peracetic acid, and sulfur dioxide in organic pesticides and herbicides. A ‘natural chemical’ does not necessarily mean it is safe. Often farmers need to use more of an organic pesticide or herbicide to make them effective than if they were using a conventional pesticide or herbicide."

http://vegesystems.com/does-organic-always-mean-free-from-pesticides-and-herbicides/

[GBoyd]

I work running trials on agricultural chemicals and so I follow the health-related studies on pesticides fairly closely. I have to say I hate articles like this. Any time a person talks about science in a politicized, fear-mongering, or inflammatory way, you can be sure that they aren't talking good science.

[Sandberm]

I work running trials on agricultural chemicals and so I follow the health-related studies on pesticides fairly closely. I have to say I hate articles like this. Any time a person talks about science in a politicized, fear-mongering, or inflammatory way, you can be sure that they aren't talking good science.

I agree with the fear-mongering stuff. When I read an article like this and I come to the part where it says the wheat is "drenched", I know there is an agenda to scare the public.

Why cant we have sound science on pesticides without the suspicion that the study is either funded by anti pesticide groups or former execs from Monsanto working in the government?

Lets broaden this discussion out a bit shall we. If in essence what the true fear is, is exposing ourselves to an un natural substance then where do we draw the line? I bet everything we touch is treated or exposed to some chemical that didnt exist 125 years ago, why go after only Roundup?

Non-stick pans, plastic water bottles.....I heard somebody on the radio the other day claim that banning leaded gas is the reason there has been a decline in violent crime...there was a guy on Fox news the other day that said there is carcinogens in Anti-bacterial soap...deoderant, toothpaste, lead in paint, fire retardant, radio waves from cell phones...

Take your pick.
 

[chester]

I'm just going to throw this out there, everybody is looking for someone to blame for hoof rot. But I'm all but certain that it came from the farm fields, and was contracted from domestic animals. It's spreading into the woods now , but it's still most pronounced close to ag fields. Rarely see a limper more then a few miles from farm land. Even though all clear cuts get sprayed.


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