Round-Up in Your Sandwich? Are our hoof-diseased elk eating Wonder Bread?

[chester]

There was a nice bull a couple cuts over in late buck 3pt with doubles and long beams. Right rear was giving him trouble


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[t6]

Rad... Sorry it took so long to get to an answer.  Dang work...     

Oregon Fish and Wildlife admitted that they killed elk around the Tillamook area that were suffering from "Bacterial Leg Deformities" 

In 2013 they had contract hunters kill off by their admission was 60 some animals.  I spoke with one of those contract hunters and he said it was over 100 animals. 

ODFW had those contract hunters sign a non disclosure document however, because the sick elk are a potential health risk to the public, such a document or forced compliance would be unlawful. 

ODFW did the killings in secret and attempted to keep it that way.  Why?  Could it be because it blows up the theory quoted to us in Hoof Rot Meetings by our very own WDFW when they said "It couldn't be herbicides, they spray it in Oregon and they don't have hoof rot there."

ODFW has now admitted to those killings and the presence of Hoof Rot in Oregon.  There have also been other documented areas as well. 

We asked ODFW what if any Bacteria was present in the elk they killed.  The didn't have an answer for us.  The contract hunter I talked to said that he didn't see any testing done before the elk were dumped and buried. 

[pianoman9701]

More studies which point to glyphosate as a culprit in many diseases because of the practice called Desiccation. I know, I know, none of these scientists knows what they're talking about. And, the multiple cases of anencephaly or microcephaly that have cropped (see how I did that?) up in 2-3 years is also a coincidence, I'm sure. 20 cases in E. WA when the norm is 2 cases per year, nationwide.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/09/14/glyphosate-celiac-disease-connection.aspx?

[Greenhorn]

Who desiccates their wheat with glyphosate?
http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp

[idahohuntr]

Nobody is arguing that roundup in your diet (or an animals diet) is a good thing.  Its just when it comes to hoof-rot diagnosis in elk it is a totally unsupported theory by an overhwelming body of scientific evidence.

[Mudman]

Very interesting science.  I learned something new.  I wonder if elk have been tested for mineral deficient or glyposate in urine?  Bet not.  Who knows?  Why not test, along with atrazine levels?  I do know one thing-I would never spray my garden with roundup. Would any Farmer be confident enough to do it, and if so why?  This stuff stays in the plant and in the soils a considerable time.

[pianoman9701]

Very interesting science.  I learned something new.  I wonder if elk have been tested for mineral deficient or glyposate in urine?  Bet not.  Who knows?  Why not test, along with atrazine levels?  I do know one thing-I would never spray my garden with roundup. Would any Farmer be confident enough to do it, and if so why?  This stuff stays in the plant and in the soils a considerable time.

They haven't been testing for it and "why not?" has been asked several times. The people wondering about the possible connection can't understand why the biologists involved wouldn't want to rule out as much as possible.

[pianoman9701]

Who desiccates their wheat with glyphosate?
http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp

This is a different study than Pope's. This one is from MIT and By Dr. Mercola. I had put up a link for Pope's article earlier in this thread. In the Monsanto guide for Round-Up, it clearly shows how to perform desiccation.

[RELV]

Please note that the guide is from Western Australia (WA), not the state of Washington.

I gotta go with what snopes says, I've worked on wheat farms from the Palouse to the Skagit Valley and never saw or heard of spraying roundup just prior to harvest.  It would be a waste of money.

[pianoman9701]

Oh, that helps. I'll delete that link then. Thanks.

[pianoman9701]

Please note that the guide is from Western Australia (WA), not the state of Washington.

I gotta go with what snopes says, I've worked on wheat farms from the Palouse to the Skagit Valley and never saw or heard of spraying roundup just prior to harvest.  It would be a waste of money.

That's good input. I'd hope no one would use it as a desiccant, but apparently on a national scale, it's used widely. The one part of the article that talks about the huge increases in anencephaly or microcephaly in WA is disturbing, though. Without seeing the study firsthand, it's hard to create a causal relationship, but the scientists certainly seem to think it exists.

[idahohuntr]

Very interesting science.  I learned something new.  I wonder if elk have been tested for mineral deficient or glyposate in urine?  Bet not.  Who knows?  Why not test, along with atrazine levels?  I do know one thing-I would never spray my garden with roundup. Would any Farmer be confident enough to do it, and if so why?  This stuff stays in the plant and in the soils a considerable time.

They haven't been testing for it and "why not?" has been asked several times. The people wondering about the possible connection can't understand why the biologists involved wouldn't want to rule out as much as possible.

Because they have already identified the cause and there was never a sign of toxicity that warranted such detailed chemical analysis.  Go read the bugle magazine story by rich landers on this subject...he lays out very accurately what wdfw has done and why toxicity was ruled out early on. 

If you have blood drawn at the doctors office does he provide you with your levels of glyphosate and atrazine? 

[idahohuntr]

Please note that the guide is from Western Australia (WA), not the state of Washington.

I gotta go with what snopes says, I've worked on wheat farms from the Palouse to the Skagit Valley and never saw or heard of spraying roundup just prior to harvest.  It would be a waste of money.

Now that is funny!

[pianoman9701]

Very interesting science.  I learned something new.  I wonder if elk have been tested for mineral deficient or glyposate in urine?  Bet not.  Who knows?  Why not test, along with atrazine levels?  I do know one thing-I would never spray my garden with roundup. Would any Farmer be confident enough to do it, and if so why?  This stuff stays in the plant and in the soils a considerable time.

They haven't been testing for it and "why not?" has been asked several times. The people wondering about the possible connection can't understand why the biologists involved wouldn't want to rule out as much as possible.

Because they have already identified the cause and there was never a sign of toxicity that warranted such detailed chemical analysis.  Go read the bugle magazine story by rich landers on this subject...he lays out very accurately what wdfw has done and why toxicity was ruled out early on. 

If you have blood drawn at the doctors office does he provide you with your levels of glyphosate and atrazine?

Only when I come down with hoof disease. I know you love the WDFW very much and think they would never do us wrong, but the Bugle article reflects only the information given them by the WDFW. It's hardly an independent study.

[kentrek]

"They have already identified the cause"

Which is what again ??