I went with the MTAC 1x4 and no separate red dot. For me, the scope was fine without an extra site - even up close. Very happy with the BDC reticle as well. I shot a coyote at 500 yards with my 16" AR earlier this fall. Just picked the right dot and down he went. The 2+ MOA center dot is not for precision shooting, but works well for the intended purpose.