it just a hunt for meat RIGHT!

[Mudman]

Hey if all men are created equal with Blah Blah!  Inequalities breed the resentments. Cow and Doe tags would feed families and remove the trophy taking aspect.  Sustenance does not come from antlers much. I dont like it but I expect tribes to take advantage of what they are allowed by law.

[coachcw]

Guy from today. Two bucks not bad

[trophyhunt]

Sold to the highest bidder!!! 

[coachcw]

My bet is there dogs eat well. I'm done with this I've had my yearly rant. Now I'm gonna go   hunt where ever I want till I find a good buck !

[Pinetar]

I never get into these native bashings or he did, you did posts but I'm tired of biting my lip. I did not take pictures nor was I with hunterrc. However, I was there when the native (YES NATIVE) came into JR's with that bull. And I have seen this truck in town before with bulls, not the first time or his first bull of this year. Sure it is legal for them to do so, but this does not make it right. I'm sure there are natives that hunt fairly as TBAR suggests but their are lot more that DO NOT.

TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.

I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.

Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.

TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe.  Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.


I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".

[Tbar]

I never get into these native bashings or he did, you did posts but I'm tired of biting my lip. I did not take pictures nor was I with hunterrc. However, I was there when the native (YES NATIVE) came into JR's with that bull. And I have seen this truck in town before with bulls, not the first time or his first bull of this year. Sure it is legal for them to do so, but this does not make it right. I'm sure there are natives that hunt fairly as TBAR suggests but their are lot more that DO NOT.

TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.

I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.

Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.

TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe.  Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.


I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".

Great post Pinetar. You won't be flamed by me(for this post). I will respond with my limited knowledge shortly. I will say that respectful discussion, regardless of differing opinions, is progress for sure.

[coachcw]

Pinetar your spot on. What I saw up Robinson was sickening. One deer gut pile with two miniatures next to it. We as stewards of the land need to talk about this. Hunters wonder why we don't see many age class animals ? Pretty tough to make it a year let alone 4 to 5. The wdfw really dosnt care or they would lock the gates. The worst part is the lack of respect for the hunt they drive the roads in sweat s and tennis shoes and shoot then never follow up on poor shoots. I saw that first hand. If mucks only get one deer per year and one elk per household they must not be getting checked often. I know they only have one tribal wArden.

[Coastal_native]

I don't know what hunting attire has to do with respect for the hunt.  That is not a flame. 

[Coastal_native]

Maybe just stick to the fact that they're taking more than they need, are wasting, or using unethical or illegal hunting practices.

[trophyhunt]

I never get into these native bashings or he did, you did posts but I'm tired of biting my lip. I did not take pictures nor was I with hunterrc. However, I was there when the native (YES NATIVE) came into JR's with that bull. And I have seen this truck in town before with bulls, not the first time or his first bull of this year. Sure it is legal for them to do so, but this does not make it right. I'm sure there are natives that hunt fairly as TBAR suggests but their are lot more that DO NOT.

TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.

I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.

Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.

TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe.  Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.


I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".

thank you for posting! 

[Turner89]

Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat.  but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward.  No rib cage for sure.  Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! Lol

Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted.  If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen!  Well here is your pic for today and there will be many more in the future!

First off I don't know of any info on the bull posted. I do however see a bull in a truck.  (congrats to the hunter, although I feel it's his bull and story to post). Hunterrcc thanks for the pic.

This is an illustration of  stirring the pot for no apparent reason. Reality is this bull could have and may have come from many different places (wdfw draw tag, general hunt, out of state). The reality is none of us know.
     Fyi (hunterrcc) hunters of all user groups hunt for various reasons. There are some extremely hard core Native hunters that are true to the core hunters and have little to no desire to harvest(kill) a thing.  The satisfaction lies in the hunt and being closer to nature. There are lazy road hunting Natives too. Sound familiar? There are Natives who enjoy  as large of antlers as they are able to attain. There are many Natives who live off of natures bounty and will choose the most tender meat they can attain.  Sound familiar? I could go on and on but don't feel the need.
        If you so choose, complain about season length, bag limits, management objectives/contributions., etc. Your thread shows no evidence of abuse or even disrespect. What your thread does illustrate(imo) is why Natives seldom post (and should NEVER post) stories and pictures. The point of focus always seems to on the negative and at times take off like wildfire in downward spirals and never on positive commonalities that could bind two user groups.

  Tbar said it all.....

[Tbar]

Pinetar good on you for reporting.  If you think this type of thing is acceptable, you are wrong.  It is frowned upon by every tribe I've ever been associated with(treaty hunting with non natives). If the 2 non natives were not prosecuted the ball was dropped by the WDFW or more likely the county prosecutor. (I could see the prosecutor not wanting a tough to prove game violation that was discovered in King/Kittitas county that may or may not have occurred in Yakima county.  See the complexities.  Also the entire case could be shattered by the native saying "I did it")
   As for Muckleshoot natural resource managers not caring you couldn't be more wrong.  I don't know any specifics but do know their regulation and enforcement is evolving and very impressive. I also know they take harvest data, animal densities, and any other biological information very serious.

[Pinetar]

TBAR - Thanks for your opinion. However, I feel that if the resource managers REALLY cared about the wildlife over here and the enforcement is so impressive than maybe they could come over here this time of year and see what is really going on. This behavior from the Mucks has only been going on over here for like five years, can't remember exactly when it started but it certainly was not much more than that.

If you target these deer and elk on their winter range this time of year you are going to see a decrease in their numbers. Prior to the Mucks hunting over here in the winter you used to be able to drive up Robinson/Joe Watt area on any given day and see them in a calm/relaxed atmosphere and their were big bulls and bucks everywhere. Now you are lucky to see any bucks and if you do they are running the other way spooked. Putting mass pressure on wildlife this time of year is not good. Granite the elk are still doing OK but the big bulls are declining on this side of the valley in comparison to where it used to be. They are targeting the big bulls and bucks.

Maybe the caring natural resource managers should take a look at the seasons and have them hunting them when everyone else does?

PS - Again, thanks for your opinion and I see your point with the complexity of the case that I reported. It was a disgusting mess that left a 6pt and 5pt bulls to suffer and go to waste. I certainly never thought that it was acceptable by the tribes but they could have done something to them to slow them down.

[hunterrcc]

It says you boned out the meat and packed it out or you left the meat on the ground what do you thing it means?

Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat.  but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward.  No rib cage for sure. 

The last 5 or 6 elk that have been in my truck had the rib cage, spine, etc. left in the field.  What does that say about me?

[hunterrcc]

That's is why I said I can't confirm 100% ! Just saying that I couldn't see any meat but didn't stopped to hang out with the guys, not my favorite people to talk to if you didn't get that from my prior comments.  Bottom line is natives are killing way too many trophy animals for what reason, greed!  link=topic=165600.msg2184929#msg2184929 date=1416859544]

Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat.  but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward.  No rib cage for sure.  Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! Lol

Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted.  If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen!  Well here is your God dam pic for today and there will be many more in the future!

How do you know that he didn't bone out the elk?  We always bone ours out and put them in coolers.
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