Britt pup not getting in the water

[Happy Gilmore]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with that 100%.  I was just saying that Brits do make good water dogs in the right conditions.

Don't kid yourself. Brit will not make a "water" dog. A Brit will be versatile as the breed is intended to be however, it will not be a water dog. Neither will Irish water spaniels, poodles, flat coats, wirehairs and other various breeds. Sure, someone will have a dog that will go hunt all day and make 20 long cold water retrieves however it is farthest from the norm as you can get.

I hate it when people promote breeds for what they are not. The guys that believe it usually go buy one then end up disapointed because their dog isn't like the one freak dog that loved cold water.

I know an American Pointer which loves the water. Ice cold flood water all around, he'll go jump in, swim and go crazy. Does that make him a decent water dog? no way.

[jetjockey]

We will have to agree to disagree.  Id say Brits and most of the versatile breeds are about as good of water dogs as labs and cheesie's are at being upland dogs.  Train them and give them the opportunity to succeed and they work just fine, but they aren't masters at it.  Not all water is ice cold either, your trying to use 1 type of hunting condition to determine what constitutes a good dog.  If we did that, then it could easily be argued that labs and cheesie's are horrible upland dogs because they can't handle the heat of Southern bob white hunting.   BTW.  My Brit loves to swim and will jump right in to ice cold water.  My lab won't jump in a mud puddle.

[Happy Gilmore]

We will have to agree to disagree.  Id say Brits and most of the versatile breeds are about as good of water dogs as labs and cheesie's are at being upland dogs.  Train them and give them the opportunity to succeed and they work just fine, but they aren't masters at it.  Not all water is ice cold either, your trying to use 1 type of hunting condition to determine what constitutes a good dog.  If we did that, then it could easily be argued that labs and cheesie's are horrible upland dogs because they can't handle the heat of Southern bob white hunting.   BTW.  My Brit loves to swim and will jump right in to ice cold water.  My lab won't jump in a mud puddle.

Well, for example; the Columbia River water temperatures are typically below 50 degrees all hunting season if you'd like to look at factual information.

[jetjockey]

And your point is?  My lab wouldn't swim in it if it were 70 degrees all hunting season.

[Happy Gilmore]

And your point is?  My lab wouldn't swim in it if it were 70 degrees all hunting season.

Point a dog at water and say "back" to see what a water dog is.

[jetjockey]

Ok Happy.  Your right, I'm not arguing with you.  Your lack of knowledge about anything outside of retievers is staggering. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUadyqbL6M

[Happy Gilmore]

Ok Happy.  Your right, I'm not arguing with you.  Your lack of knowledge about anything outside of retievers is staggering. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUadyqbL6M

staggering.. lol

How many dogs have you trained and how many breeds? just curious. I've done more than just play with retrievers

[Happy Gilmore]

You don't train though I forgot you have a really cheap pro because everyone in the NW is a rip off and you can only train dogs on wild birds all summer and its cheaper and no stupid birds like farm raised and blah, blah, blah.. regurgitate the same thing your trainer told you about training again..

[jetjockey]

I guess your not going to comment on the video showing a brittany breaking ice to retrieve a dead duck?

[huntingfool7]

JohnG- Good to see it's working out for you and your pup.  Shooting you a PM.

[Happy Gilmore]

I guess your not going to comment on the video showing a brittany breaking ice to retrieve a dead duck?

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?20888-10-minutes-from-retrieving-to-quot-should-be-dead-quot&highlight=hypothermia

[jetjockey]

There's no accounting for owner stupidity.  Don't blame the dog.

[jakeweb]

how about we stop blowing up this post with pointless arguing? its about his dogs progression, lets be happy about that. if your going to argue just pm each other.

[Backstrap]

My cocker will break ice to fetch a bird all day long. He swims most every day, regardless of temp, it's hard to keep him out of water. I put a neoprene vest on him if cold weather duck hunting. He's a 30 pound wonder!

[jetjockey]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore due to the pissing contest that ensued. But the guy who owned the cockers we hunted over said the same exact thing.  He said they broke ice and were great duck dogs.  He hunts them in PA and Ohio, where its damn cold in the winter.  He said he used a vest on the dogs, and when it got really cold, he threw a heater in the blind.