baiting big game

[pianoman9701]

You wanted scientific data

http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html

Pros and cons of baiting black bear and why it was changed.

For deer

http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate

Black bear baiting was banned in WA because an uneducated public was 1. allowed to vote on an issue that should've remained in the hands of qualified wildlife biologists, and 2. influenced by multi-million dollar special interest groups who lied to them, much like what happened on 594. It had nothing to do with ethics or fair chase. We're paying the price for it today with an over-populated predator base of bears, cougars, and large dogs. If this decision were left strictly in the hands of wildlife managers, hunters would continue to have the use of baiting as the numbers of ungulates don't yet dictate a change in methods. The introduction of wolves may change that in the near future. But that's more a fault of the outrageous wolf plan than it is of baiting itself.

[Bango skank]

You wanted scientific data

http://www.mfoa.net/animal_activism_events/activism/black_bears_analysis.html

Pros and cons of baiting black bear and why it was changed.

For deer

http://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/the-bait-debate

So you post a link to an anti hunting groups site about bears, and a link about deer hunting that is basically an opinion piece that holds not a shred of scientific data.  If you were trying to make a point you failed

[mfswallace]

Here is the Boone and Crockett definition of fair chase:

FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

Please note the part about "improper advantage" as it might pertain to baiting.

Please note the part about "lawful" !!
Let me finish your thought since you didn't copy and paste all of the info from B&C your quoting!

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment

Please note #2 !!!!! Especially the OP who is admittedly not from here!

  Many Boone and Crockett animals were either discovered(cams) and hunted because of bait or  taken with the aid of bait...

[jackelope]

Hot mess.

[mfswallace]

The OP went from 74 posts this morning to now over 113 

[Bango skank]

Yeah, and every one makes him look like a bigger idiot.

[Bango skank]

Yeah, and every one makes him look like a bigger idiot.

Haha, Stiil waiting for your proof or is your opinion scientific?

Dont know what it is youre asking me to prove, let alone why i should have the need to prove it.  And as for my opinion, the only opinion ive stated here is that youre acting like an idiot. 

[hughjorgan]

Yeah, and every one makes him look like a bigger idiot.

Haha, Stiil waiting for your proof or is your opinion scientific?

Dont know what it is youre asking me to prove, let alone why i should have the need to prove it.  And as for my opinion, the only opinion ive stated here is that youre acting like an idiot.

Why is baiting a necessary way of hunting?

Why is hunting neccessary, just buy your meat at the grocery store it is a lot cheaper.

[Birdguy]

Soon enough there will be no hunting and this entire thread is PROOF of why?

  SAD TO SEE AS A SPOTSMAN!

[mfswallace]

Changing the topic 

[Igor]

Here is the Boone and Crockett definition of fair chase:

FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

Please note the part about "improper advantage" as it might pertain to baiting.

Please note the part about "lawful" !!
Let me finish your thought since you didn't copy and paste all of the info from B&C your quoting!

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment

Please note #2 !!!!! Especially the OP who is admittedly not from here!

  Many Boone and Crockett animals were either discovered(cams) and hunted because of bait or  taken with the aid of bait...

Hey, pay attention!!  I didn't state that baiting is not lawful.  My point is that baiting has nothing to do with fair chase.  Parse it any way you like........it still isn't!!!

[Bob33]

The intelligent replies have made, and several inappropriate ones. This thread is locked.