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One absolute way to increase odds for the OIL tags, go back to when you had to purchase the tags first to put in. Most people wouldn't shell out the money to apply, in my opinion.
Seems as though wdfw is in a short term game of pacifying hunters with focus on their form of harvest, as in our monies........they want our money and dont want to fix things or right wrongs to earn it..........
Quote from: bobcat on December 08, 2014, 11:30:06 AM"For example, 75% of the any moose tags went to applications with 10 or more points. If highest point holders is defined as anyone with 10 or more points, then giving 25% to them changes nothing"If it's true that this changes nothing, then I am fine with that "change". When I pointed out the origninal 10pt cutoff and the stats Bob posted...that is when Dave Ware said they are re-evaluating the cutoff "point". I think they realized 10+ pts already get the majority of the tags...Dave was clear that they want to set the limit where it makes an appreciable difference to draw odds. To me, this means that you basically have to set it so that the 25% of tags are given to the max point holders (or something close).If we look at "any moose" tags as an example...there are 1504 people who had 15+ points in 2013. There are 82 any moose permits. If we reserved 25% of them for 15+ point holders (21 permits) it would take 72 years for all of the 15+ point holders to get a tag under this new system designed to appease the high point holders. If we set the cutoff at 19 points, then the 12 applicants with those 19 or more points would be guaranteed a tag the following year. I don't believe it is appropriate that high point holders should be entitled to tags...WDFW says they get a lot of feedback about hunters with high point totals wanting improved draw odds...BS...all levels of point holders want improved draw odds! If WDFW implements this, it will only result in substantial point creep and more complaints about absurdly low draw odds. Like all ponzi schemes...a few in at the base level could stand to do quite well though.If WDFW's objective is to improve draw odds the easiest thing they could do is find ways to reduce applicants. I personally beleive we could come up with revenue neutral options and still improve draw odds. I'm starting to think maybe there are a few upcoming WDFW retirees who have not drawn their moose/sheep/quality elk etc tags yet...time to make a few changes so they have something to do in retirement
"For example, 75% of the any moose tags went to applications with 10 or more points. If highest point holders is defined as anyone with 10 or more points, then giving 25% to them changes nothing"If it's true that this changes nothing, then I am fine with that "change".
Any changes made mid-stream to an already screwed-up, convoluted permit draw system will do nothing but possibly appease a very small number of individuals while at the same time aggravating the vast majority of other applicants. That will drive more hunters away.If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If it is broke, don’t screw it up even worse with some cockamamie scheme.
Quote from: Bob33 on December 10, 2014, 09:00:15 AMAny changes made mid-stream to an already screwed-up, convoluted permit draw system will do nothing but possibly appease a very small number of individuals while at the same time aggravating the vast majority of other applicants. That will drive more hunters away.If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If it is broke, don’t screw it up even worse with some cockamamie scheme. Bingo!
kind of look at the future of steelhead fishing as an example--the lawsuit that stopped hatchery plants in PS region
Quote from: buckfvr on December 09, 2014, 03:38:39 PMSeems as though wdfw is in a short term game of pacifying hunters with focus on their form of harvest, as in our monies........they want our money and dont want to fix things or right wrongs to earn it.......... They're probably too uncertain (pessimistic maybe?) about the long term. Predators and greenies, kind of look at the future of steelhead fishing as an example--the lawsuit that stopped hatchery plants in PS region.
Not to thread hijack, but you're confused about this - the lawsuit against hatchery steelhead was driven largely by people who want MORE steelhead - people like my brother, who is a steelhead fishing guide! The data is very clear that the hatcheries are hurting wild steelhead and driving down numbers, not helping them.
No discussion on returning tags or tag reductions for the methow.On the tag return, are you asking about if you draw something like a cow tag and a quality bull tag you would like to return the cow tag and have your points restored? If so, it seems like that was mentioned but for draw odds reasons didn't get much support?Methow deer, recent fires, extra doe tags etc., makes me think Methow deer status would be a good agenda item for the spring meeting.