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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2014, 05:51:40 AM »
WE NEED MORE CATEGORIES if we want better odds and the option to only apply in ONE UNIT

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2014, 05:55:59 AM »
its ridiculous the amount of bears in this state! its sad to hunt some of the country I hunt up north where you can sit behind the glass 7-8 hrs a day and glass what was once great mule deer and whitetail country and see nothing but bears!  we see on avg over 20 bears in a 5 day period and maybe 2-5 deer! I cant even remember the last time I saw a muley up there when I was growing up we saw lots and lots of whitetails.

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2014, 05:58:35 AM »
I really think cougars and coyotes are hitting our deer the hardest, but the high number of bears do not help during fawning season.
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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2014, 06:04:18 AM »
I finally drew the kelly hill tag last year where I hunt and it was a joke how many bears there is. Like shooting cattle  :chuckle:

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2014, 06:58:05 AM »
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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2014, 07:02:52 AM »
Great write up, I really appreciate it.  It will be interesting to see what comes out but I think overall these are steps in the right direction for sure. 

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2014, 07:08:02 AM »
I do really like the idea of splitting the moose season up, that will hopefully give guys a better chance at drawing the unit they really want. 

One question I have with the 25% to the high point tag holders is how do you allocate the tags in units with less than 4 tags, would they be the same as what is currently done?

Also not in favor of what they are doing with the sheep, I'd hate to see Chelan Butte go to multiple tags, but it looks like the writing is on the wall for that one. 

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2014, 07:38:03 AM »
Idaho Hunter, 2 questions.

1. Concerning baiting, why did this topic come up at all?  What was the motivation--did it come from the failed attempt 6 years ago?  Is there some special interest group pushing it?  I know that WA is one of the few states to still allow baiting for ungulates, but that alone is a silly reason to propose a ban.  You were at the meeting, what was your impression?

2. Concerning the doubling of Spring Bear permits in NE WA, was there any discussion of simply allowing Spring Bear hunting without permits in all (or, many) GMUs?  That is, did anybody even broach the idea of an Idaho-style Spring Bear hunt, which is OTC?

Thanks for the notes, very helpful.
1. As wingshooter mentioned, it was brought up in the scoping for the upcoming Game Management Plan.  The issue is being raised by hunters who do not believe baiting is ethical.  Its not a group of anti-hunters or anything like that.  Personally, I think a whole bunch of hunters opposed to baiting in general would be satisfied if some common sense rules on bait location, timing, and amount were imposed...I think it is a solution that could leave the most people happy  :dunno:

2. No discussion on a general spring season whatsoever.  They mentioned the doubling of permits in NE Wa near the very end of the meeting as it was inadvertently left out.

1) And the cannibalism of others hunting style by other hunters begins  >:( :bash: :bdid:

I don't think using duck decoys is sporting as it creates an unfair expectation in other ducks minds that the areas is safe. It's that kind of rationale that leads to all of us losing hunting  :'(

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2014, 08:30:41 AM »
I am 100% against the 25% of tags allocated to high points holders.... didnt they say higher points would make someone draw anyways? This just confirms that the point system doesnt work. This will make people really want to start appkying in wa...  :bash: i hqve said it and will again. To increase draw odds you have to decrease applicants. Ideally would be going away from the 147 categpries we can all apply for. Give us 2 hunt choices per species regardless if a hunter chooses cow or bull. Also it would help if you had to pick deer and elk or oil. Give the oil guys 2 choices also regardless of species or area. Make people really think about what theu want to apply for. Not allow everyone to throw their name in every single draw pool!. Too bad i just bought a new house in wa.... the fiance told me last month we should have looked in idaho... i said told you so.

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2014, 08:55:58 AM »
Someone already posted on this but I can't imagine that they would change the archery elk season to the first Saturday after Labor Day and keep it at 13 days.  That would make this year's archery season September 12-23rd!  That would be almost like a quality elk tag if you had a good spot.  I have always considered the 23rd as pretty much being the peak of the rut.  Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see it, but I just don't think they would do it.  Archery hunting is difficult enough, we could certainly use more favorable hunt dates.  During this year's hunt I saw very little rutting activity with the season being so early.

I am a wet side hunter and have thought many times that I would like to see them offer quality elk tags in more units on this side.  Why not have a tag or two in nearly every elk unit during the peak of the rut?  I believe that would increase draw odds for many guys going after quality tags on the east side and west side.  Currently, I only put in for quality elk hunts on the years I draw multiseason elk because there aren't quality elk tags in the areas that I hunt on the west side and the quality elk tags on the east side are that much better.  For a guy like me who only has 6 or 7 quality elk points, I would gladly risk burning them on a tag with maybe lower quality elk but get to hunt during the rut.   :twocents:   
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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2014, 09:45:42 AM »
I am 100% against the 25% of tags allocated to high points holders.... didnt they say higher points would make someone draw anyways? This just confirms that the point system doesnt work. This will make people really want to start appkying in wa...  :bash: i hqve said it and will again. To increase draw odds you have to decrease applicants. Ideally would be going away from the 147 categpries we can all apply for. Give us 2 hunt choices per species regardless if a hunter chooses cow or bull. Also it would help if you had to pick deer and elk or oil. Give the oil guys 2 choices also regardless of species or area. Make people really think about what theu want to apply for. Not allow everyone to throw their name in every single draw pool!. Too bad i just bought a new house in wa.... the fiance told me last month we should have looked in idaho... i said told you so.
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They already have a perfectly good system that rewards those with the highest point totals.  Years of data clearly demonstrate that the highest point holders get the lions share of the tags already, with the existing system.  I guess the few bread crumbs left over for the guy who hasn't applied for 20 years consecutively is just not acceptable.  To implement what they are proposing will be a short-term shell game that rewards the top few point holders...then in a few years whatever point total they cap it off at will be full of hunters expecting to draw.  The only factor that will ultimately limit point creep in Washington is the human life span. :yike:  :chuckle:
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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2014, 09:47:53 AM »
I am 100% against the 25% of tags allocated to high points holders.... didnt they say higher points would make someone draw anyways? This just confirms that the point system doesnt work. This will make people really want to start appkying in wa...  :bash: i hqve said it and will again. To increase draw odds you have to decrease applicants. Ideally would be going away from the 147 categpries we can all apply for. Give us 2 hunt choices per species regardless if a hunter chooses cow or bull. Also it would help if you had to pick deer and elk or oil. Give the oil guys 2 choices also regardless of species or area. Make people really think about what theu want to apply for. Not allow everyone to throw their name in every single draw pool!. Too bad i just bought a new house in wa.... the fiance told me last month we should have looked in idaho... i said told you so.
:yeah:
They already have a perfectly good system that rewards those with the highest point totals.  Years of data clearly demonstrate that the highest point holders get the lions share of the tags already, with the existing system.  I guess the few bread crumbs left over for the guy who hasn't applied for 20 years consecutively is just not acceptable.  To implement what they are proposing will be a short-term shell game that rewards the top few point holders...then in a few years whatever point total they cap it off at will be full of hunters expecting to draw.  The only factor that will ultimately limit point creep in Washington is the human life span. :yike:  :chuckle:
yep and it is only getting worse with everyone able to apply in every single category...  :bash:

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2014, 10:18:48 AM »
The best thing would be to drop the point system entirely. But since that's not going to happen, I wish they would just leave it alone and ignore the whiners who somehow feel they are entitled to a special permit just because they have been applying for twenty years. The last thing I want to see is another change that will do nothing but complicate our point system even further.

Lots of people suggest that decreasing the number of choices on an application would greatly increase draw odds. I don't believe it would do anything for overall draw odds, but I still would agree to only allowing one hunt choice per application. I like that it would be simplifying the process somewhat, and it would make it easier to calculate actual draw odds.

One very simple solution to reduce applicants would be a waiting period. Just for example, let's say 2 years for antlerless, buck, and bull categories, and three years for the quality categories. Anyone who draws a permit cannot apply in that category for the specified time period.

The other thing is I think they need to add a lot more special permits, even if it's just a couple in each GMU. For instance I see room for more late season blacktail deer permits in units that do not currently have any (and yes, I did see in Idahohunter's report that they are adding 14 quality deer permits in regions 5 & 6, so that's a great start). And of course, as I have mentioned many times before, there could be spring bear permits in just about every GMU in western Washington, instead of only the four or five that we have.

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2014, 10:31:08 AM »
Am I the only archer here that noticed the Elk Season schedule?  First Saturday after Labor day? That must be a misprint!  Holy Cow, that would be the 12th through 24th!   Yowza..

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Re: Game Mgmt. Council Meeting Notes - 2015-17 season proposals, baiting etc.
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2014, 10:36:19 AM »
Am I the only archer here that noticed the Elk Season schedule?  First Saturday after Labor day? That must be a misprint!  Holy Cow, that would be the 12th through 24th!   Yowza..

I noticed, and I'm surprised that there hasn't been a lot more posted about it. I think there will be a record number of archery elk tags sold in 2015! Of course, the same could be true of the muzzleloader elk tags, if they're adding 24 GMU's to the early season.


 


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