Cabelas Hawkins or Lyman Plains?

[erk444]

I've been wanting to get a traditional muzzy for a while now. I found a cabelas 50 cal Hawkins at a pawn shop that doesn't even look like it's been shot for $200 (negotiable). I also found a lyman plains 45 cal for the same price (firm). I think I read somewhere that the cabelas was made by lyman? I'm kinda thinking the Hawkins would be a better buy as its a 50 cal. Just throwing it out there to see what you guys think.

[Harleysboss]

You are pretty much correct on the manufacture  Invest arms of Italy made rifles for cabelas and Lyman. I would go with the larger caliber for a hunting gun but they are both of similar quality. I have a Lyman trade rifle in 54 cal and it shoots great.

[oneshot12]

think I would go with the 50 cal  have friends who have shot the very same rifle for years  they have had no complaints shoot round ball real well and will hit pretty much anything they want out to 100 yards  no problem  shoot good tight groups .better for elk and deer  I think 

[erk444]

Well, I went with the Hawkins. Got it for $184 after tax. I feel like I got a great deal due to the condition of the gun. Now I cant wait to go shoot it and work up a round! Thanks for the info Harleysboss and oneshot12

[bobcat]

That should be a great muzzleloader. I know they have a pretty good reputation, and I don't believe they're available anymore. Great choice, and the price was sure right!

[Dan-o]

I had one just like it for years.   LOVED IT.

It would shoot Maxiballs into ragged one hole patterns at 75 yards.


I know some folks don't like Maxiballs, but when they go through heart/lungs the animal dies (just like other bullets).

[MountainDevil54]

is the bore clean? Picture of the bore looks odd for some reason.

[Tree Killer]

I have a Cabela's Hawkins .54 cal and it shoots awesome!  Have had it about 20 years and have never had an issue with it.   

[erk444]

The bore is awesome, I don't think it was ever shot before. I finally got to shoot it yesterday and it was a blast! I think I'm going to put a musket nipple on it though cause it wasn't very consistent on ignition. I had misfires, hang fires, and everything in between . But that's part of it I guess. I used the CCI #11 magnum caps the Sabotloader likes, but it was about 50% on ignition. When I cleaned it, I got a little brown oily stuff on the first few patches as well as the gunk from the powder which makes me think it hadn't been shot before? Seemed like the stuff they put on metal to protect it from rusting? I also noticed the wooden ram rod was perfect before I shot and now it has a few scuff marks. It was pretty accurate out to around 50 yards when it went off. Maybe now that its clean it will be a little more reliable? I don't think I'll hunt with it until I can make sure its more consistent on ignition, but I would love to shoot a deer with it! I put 20 rounds through it and I only ran 2 or 3 spit patches the whole time. It was pretty easy to load every time too. I'm using .495 round balls and lubed patches, but I don't know how thick the patches are? I think a thicker patch may be better to get a tighter fit but, being new to patch and ball, I'm not quite sure? Guess I'll just have to shoot a lot more to find out

[MountainDevil54]

thats sub powders for you. Get some real black and you'll never look back.

[wadu1]

I have a Cabela's Hawkins .50 cal and it shoots awesome. I use 80 GR of 2FFG with a 360 GR Buffalo bullet and RWS #11 caps and a Uncle Mikes Hot Shot Nipple and have never had a miss-fire in 20 years. Stick with real BP and good nipple cap combo. 
I also shoot a Thompson .54 Hawkins also with 2FFG, Buffalo bullets and a Uncle Mikes Hot Shot, one failure I used someone's CCI cap on a Bull Elk and the darn thing needed two hammer blows to set it off. 

[usmc74]

Take that tiny side screw out (just below the nipple).  You can make sure the flash hole into the barrel is clear.  Might put a little anti-seize on it so you can get it back out again later.

[erk444]

I tried to get that screw out, but its in there pretty good. I thought it was a set screw that held the nipple in, but sounds like its not Guess I got a lot to learn! I didn't try to hard cause I was still able to get the nipple out, so I'll give it another try. Thanks for the info. I use 777 FFg and have never had a misfire with my bighorn so I figured it would work with this rifle too, but maybe I'll try some real black powder.

[erk444]

Just took that little screw out and ran a bottle brush through there. Anti seized it up and put it back in. Hopefully I can get her to go off a little better next time! Thanks for the info guys

[T-Bone]

Use some real blackpowder or some Pyrodex RS Select.

Take the nipple out after each shooting and drop it into some super hot, mildly soapy water. I just put mine in the same large bowl as the one I am using to clean the barrel. Upon removal from the water, dry it off and look into the nipple hole; if you see light, great, lightly lube the threads with BoreButter or a similar product. Again, naver use modern, products with petroleum distalates or you get corrosion.

You had way too many misfires. I suspect the wrong powder and a blocked nipple hole. I shoot a .54 cal. T/C R. with #11 caps and Pyrodex RS Select…No misfires. At the range, a quick swipe with a patch with blackpowder solvent followed by a dry patch or two after about three shot intervals is a good idea, as well.

Tom