If the proposed dates hold up, which they usually do. They will take away the first 2 days of permit hunts in the blues for muzzy quality bull, why?? I don't get the reason for this, changing dates and adding unit's is great but why change the dates on Quality elk hunts? I know they will change next year but normally they stay the same dates when it comes to permit hunts. I'm seriously thinking about ghost points this year and go otc with the new archery dates. Those first two days of October were off the hook.