The 210 Accubond LR in my 06'!?!

[Hornseeker]

Ok, I've been shooting the 165/168 pills for about 20 years now... the last 15 being the Barnes TSXs....  I have had NO issues with killing anything I hit... but yesterday I was dinking around looking at bullets and ballistics... and I see this 210 accubond that has a 730 BC  and I think... dang... that'll negate any benefit the 168 might have in trajectory... and it'll hit HARD... SD will be better... 316 vs 248 for the little one... plugging in what I'd expect for muzzle velocities... at 500 yards the 168 has about 7 inches less drop than the big 210... and at 1000.... the 210 is only 13 inches down... but carries 1800 lbs of energy vs 1500...

Most of my shooting is from 50-150 yards... NO difference in hold for me on big game...

Any really good reason NOT to go with the 210!?!?

[BULLBLASTER]

I think nosler was very optimistic with their bc claim on those bullets 
what velocity were you figuring?

[Curly]

If you do most shooting from 50 - 150 then there probably is not a reason to use the 210 LR.  I heard that there have been issues at closer ranges with the LR AB to stay together.

[bobcat]

If you're shots are 50 to 150 yards, and an occasional opportunity out to 400 or even 500, I think you'd be better off with the Barnes. They'll penetrate much better, recoil will be less, etc.

But you could load up some Noslers just for fun, and if the accuracy is there, use them anytime you expect to get long shots, especially if it's deer sized game or smaller.

[kentrek]

Maybe if the 210's are slow enough it will perform perfect at the close range compared to the ultra mags

I say go for it

Loading em up an shooting another masher bull would be a nice test 

[headshot5]

Double check your twist rate to make sure they will stabilize. 

[bobcat]

Another thing to check in regards to the ballistics is the wind drift. That's probably going to be your best reason to switch to the higher BC bullet. Again, that won't matter if you only shoot to 150 yards, but at 400 it could be a significant difference.

[WoodlandShooter]

Double check your twist rate to make sure they will stabilize.

^^^this^^^

also, I think the actual BC is closer to 0.630

[BULLBLASTER]

A few days ago shootersproshop had 210 lrab on their seconds list for pretty cheap. Check it out. They should stabilize in a 10 twist

[Hornseeker]

I have NO idea what twist I have?? Its an Abolt!?!?

2550-2575 was what i was thinking... backing down a bit from the claimed velocities on Noslers site with a 24" barrel. Mine is 22"....

[coachcw]

look at the retained energy at 400 yards my bet is you will find the 168s have more than the 210 lrab. you most likely will find a much better balance in a lighter bullet . the accubond is a fine bullet and I prefer then to a copper bullet as far as hitting power as well the throphy bonded would be a fine choice in the 06 as well.

[bobcat]

Twist in that a bolt will be 1 in 10, as that's the standard twist for the 30/06. And as for energy- it's just a number that in my mind is irrelevant. If the velocity is sufficient for the bullet to expand and to penetrate all the way through the animal, that's all that matters.

[Hornseeker]

Coach, with the ballistics provided by nosler and hornady... at 200 the 168 is just ahead in energy, at 300 the 210 passes him likes he's standing still and at 400 the 210 has 2091 while the 168 has 1820. Out at say 600 the 210 is at 1697 while the 168 is only at 1323.

So what velocities do I need to get decent mushrooming out of either of these bullets. I've shot and recovered quite a few of my TSX's out of animals from like 50-125 yards... nothing further out... and the barnes is always adequately mushroomed... not always fully... but enough in my opinion.

What velocity does a 30 cal barnes need to mushroom good? Accubond?

Another interesting point, is that at 1000, the 210 still has 1100 lbs... while the 168 has dropped to 673!
But... i am not a 1000 yard shooter... so thats fairly irrelevant!

So bottom line... 210 AB or 168 TSX... at ranges from 0-400... which bullet will be more effective... with deep penetration at tough angles?
Thanks for the twist info Bobcat... Im not big on energy either... but just for comparing ballistics and can be useful...

[Hornseeker]

Lets say I set my 300 Win up for long range work... that 210 AB oughta be the chit for that though right?

[bobcat]

If you really don't shoot further than 150, I'd stick to the Barnes, especially for elk. What do you hunt with this rifle? (I'm not sure you've said)

I would definitely look at using a higher BC bullet if/when you expect long shots. You might also look at the 180 Accubonds. The BC won't be quite as high as the 210 but out to 400 yards or so, it won't be enough to make much difference.

Also, the 210 is a really long bullet so I'm not sure you'll get enough powder in the case for decent velocity.