HB 1271 Creating Rock Collecting Permit for State Lands

[bigtex]

HB 1271 would create a "rock collecting endorsement" for use on WDFW, DNR and State Park lands. The endorsement would be an annual fee of $5 per family. Each endorsement allows the removal of up to 50 pounds of rock per day. All holes, divots, etc. must be filled in. Agencies can dictate closed areas to rock collection.

Now the interesting this is the majority of this is codified under the Discover Pass laws. The fine would be the equivalent of failing to have a Discover Pass. The revenue generated from sales and fine money would go into the Discover Pass account.

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf

[JimmyHoffa]

Is there a problem right now with people collecting rocks?  I thought it was closed already.

[Jacque]

What next, a State breathing fee.

[mfswallace]

Is there a problem right now with people collecting rocks?  I thought it was closed already.

Go to Red Top and you will see hillsides knocked down and creating washouts of roads.  some people don't care to rock hound the right way and leave minimal impact...   

[lokidog]

On the face of it, it seems reasonable, but really it's just one more thing to stick it to us.   

Is there a problem right now with people collecting rocks?  I thought it was closed already.

Go to Red Top and you will see hillsides knocked down and creating washouts of roads.  some people don't care to rock hound the right way and leave minimal impact...   

So then ticket them.  Is this going to change people's poor behavior?  Does it include a rockhound training class?  Will that be next?

[BOWHUNTER45]

Where do they keep coming up with this crap ??  They already have a ball park figure on what they will collect from shed hunters just by watching facebook 

[Jingles]

Most of this is already covered in the WA Gold and Fish Pamphlet just another example of the government wanting total control of the people and their activities Plus a perfect example of the Governments left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. WDFW has screwed the miners over ever since they revised the Gold and Fish Pamphlet in 1999. They refuse to use published scientific studies but use the words of the ologist that are nothing but book learners that couldn't pour Pizz out of a boot with instructions written on the heel and an arrow pointing to the heel.
Nothing but a money grab for incompetent spending by WDFW.......

[bigtex]

Most of this is already covered in the WA Gold and Fish Pamphlet just another example of the government wanting total control of the people and their activities Plus a perfect example of the Governments left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. WDFW has screwed the miners over ever since they revised the Gold and Fish Pamphlet in 1999. They refuse to use published scientific studies but use the words of the ologist that are nothing but book learners that couldn't pour Pizz out of a boot with instructions written on the heel and an arrow pointing to the heel.
Nothing but a money grab for incompetent spending by WDFW.......

Well the Gold and Fish pamphlet only covers streams and bodies of water. If someone is out in the desert area near Othello and wants to get some rocks on DNR land the Gold and Fish Pamphlet doesn't apply to them.

In terms of money it's a $5 permit in which DNR and WDFW would each get a whopping $0.40 to their budgets while State Parks would get $4.20.

[bigtex]

Is there a problem right now with people collecting rocks?  I thought it was closed already.

Go to Red Top and you will see hillsides knocked down and creating washouts of roads.  some people don't care to rock hound the right way and leave minimal impact...   

So then ticket them.  Is this going to change people's poor behavior?  Does it include a rockhound training class?  Will that be next?

Actually, establishing this law would make it easier to go after violators.

Right now it is a misdemeanor to remove rocks from DNR, WDFW, State Park lands. This means it takes a prosecutor to actually decide whether or not to prosecute. Are they going to prosecute the DUI or the guy who took a 5 gallon bucket of rocks out of the LT Murray Wildlife Area? I am sure we all know the answer.

The bill would simply make it an infraction (ticket) for failing to get an endorsement.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Is there a problem right now with people collecting rocks?  I thought it was closed already.

Go to Red Top and you will see hillsides knocked down and creating washouts of roads.  some people don't care to rock hound the right way and leave minimal impact...   

So then ticket them.  Is this going to change people's poor behavior?  Does it include a rockhound training class?  Will that be next?

Actually, establishing this law would make it easier to go after violators.

Right now it is a misdemeanor to remove rocks from DNR, WDFW, State Park lands. This means it takes a prosecutor to actually decide whether or not to prosecute. Are they going to prosecute the DUI or the guy who took a 5 gallon bucket of rocks out of the LT Murray Wildlife Area? I am sure we all know the answer.

The bill would simply make it an infraction (ticket) for failing to get an endorsement.

Simpler yet ,it is a cash collector

Most of this is already covered in the WA Gold and Fish Pamphlet just another example of the government wanting total control of the people and their activities Plus a perfect example of the Governments left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. WDFW has screwed the miners over ever since they revised the Gold and Fish Pamphlet in 1999. They refuse to use published scientific studies but use the words of the ologist that are nothing but book learners that couldn't pour Pizz out of a boot with instructions written on the heel and an arrow pointing to the heel.
Nothing but a money grab for incompetent spending by WDFW.......

Well the Gold and Fish pamphlet only covers streams and bodies of water. If someone is out in the desert area near Othello and wants to get some rocks on DNR land the Gold and Fish Pamphlet doesn't apply to them.

In terms of money it's a $5 permit in which DNR and WDFW would each get a whopping $0.40 to their budgets while State Parks would get $4.20.

With THIS being the case I want to vote NO twice!!!

[JimmyHoffa]

Yeah, my NO was heavily, heavily influenced by allowing state parks (a no hunting area) to get 84% of the money.

[bowbuild]

HB 1271 would create a "rock collecting endorsement" for use on WDFW, DNR and State Park lands. The endorsement would be an annual fee of $5 per family. Each endorsement allows the removal of up to 50 pounds of rock per day. All holes, divots, etc. must be filled in. Agencies can dictate closed areas to rock collection.

Now the interesting this is the majority of this is codified under the Discover Pass laws. The fine would be the equivalent of failing to have a Discover Pass. The revenue generated from sales and fine money would go into the Discover Pass account.

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf

The discover pass should cover this, to add another fee is over the top!

[jay.sharkbait]

A long train of abuses........

[lokidog]

But it's only $5....        Wait until the piss-in-the-woods permit comes along.   

[jay.sharkbait]

Death by a thousand cuts.