Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[huntnphool]

Why would we want wolves moved into areas they may not ever get to on their own? Stupid. I don't want any more money wasted on wolves than what has already been wasted. Wolves will go wherever they want on their own. They don't need our help.

If the wolf plan is determined to need changed in some way, then re-write it. I can't believe anyone would be in favor of this. Those that think it's a good idea, did you agree with what has been done by the USFWS in the past- moving wolves from Canada into Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming? If not, then why would you think this is okay?

To me it's a total waste of money, and the WDFW does not have extra ,money that just needs to be thrown away. If there's money for this then there's money to hire more enforcement officers and try to get poaching under control.

Obviously you are not too concerned about what happens to us in the NE until wolves are delisted, maybe if you shared in the many claimed benefits of wolves you would have a better understanding of why NE Washington residents are fed up and you would be more willing to help get them delisted! 

Seriously Bobcat!!! If you don't get the wolf managment under control there will be no need to control poaching as nothing will be left.

I have stated many times I will be ready to donate to get wolves relocated to the Southwest part of Washington. The sooner that goal is accomplished the sooner we can have an active wolf management program in the state.
Your statement just shows that you have no dawg in this fight as long it doesn't effect your part of the state and you don't want them.

My offer still stands tell me who I need to send the check to!!!

KF I can stop by and pay you if you would like!!!

 Clearly you have not thought this issue through either.

[JimmyHoffa]

I'd bet the soft release will be the most expensive part

I heard if you blind fold them, spin them around and around until their good and dizzy they won't find their way home.

Hopefully not much back tracking for the packs that could go to the San Juans.

[idahohuntr]

I am 100% opposed to the transport of wolves.  Why don't state reps propose bills eliminating this states stupid ESA law? Or require revisions to the wolf plan?  The proposed bill seems rather illogical.

[KFhunter]

I am 100% opposed to the transport of wolves.  Why don't state reps propose bills eliminating this states stupid ESA law? Or require revisions to the wolf plan?  The proposed bill seems rather illogical.

It's political posturing and it's doing well at it's intended goal of bringing awareness and firming up the voting base of the 7th district.

It has no chance of passing, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with the idea.

[jasnt]

I'd bet the soft release will be the most expensive part

I heard if you blind fold them, spin them around and around until their good and dizzy they won't find their way home.

[huntnphool]

 KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

[Curly]

I am 100% opposed to the transport of wolves.  Why don't state reps propose bills eliminating this states stupid ESA law? Or require revisions to the wolf plan?  The proposed bill seems rather illogical.

Exactly.  This seems like a good time to try to get a revision to the wolf plan with a new director coming in.  Get a bill passed forcing them to revise the plan and immediately call for delisting in the NE.

[KFhunter]

I am 100% opposed to the transport of wolves.  Why don't state reps propose bills eliminating this states stupid ESA law? Or require revisions to the wolf plan?  The proposed bill seems rather illogical.

Exactly.  This seems like a good time to try to get a revision to the wolf plan with a new director coming in.  Get a bill passed forcing them to revise the plan and immediately call for delisting in the NE.

pie in the sky approach won't work.


Do you all honestly think any revisions to the wolf plan, or any other positive action (management)  would come about if it weren't for bills like this applying pressure to the west side legislatures and thus WDFW?

[KFhunter]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

I do not want more wolves in this State but what I do want is to meet the managment goals so we as a state can move forward with a mangement plan to preserve what resources we have!!

As a west sider perhaps you don't have the intimate knowledge of the game populations in eastern washington which in my views are from Ritzville east not as you folks think anything over the pass. I have watched the resource dwindle from 40+ deer in my pasture to this fall 2 does with fawns. Granted we had hard winters during 2008 and then in 2009 but the winters since have been fairly mild and the herd has not recovered. When the WDFW did the aerial gunning of the Wedge wolf pack that was 5 miles due east from my front deck. I ran across the WDFW Wolf Bio about 6 weeks later during Elk season and he shared the fact they had gotten some of them but not all which satisfied both user groups the pro and con. 4 days after that I was standing in fresh wolf scat just about the Diamond M.  The next March I had wolves howling off my back deck in Ferry county.

I know our paths have never crossed but Bobcat's our yours but I do feel honored that the westside Liberals are looking out for the best interests of the folks on this side of the state by not wanting to accelerate the managment plan and get them de-listed so we can move forward.

As I was told by the Jay Shepard he said the locals are just not "Talking" thats where I'm going back to.

Once again, Thank you for opening my eyes.

Thanks for that, it's true, by being silent we capitulate and allow it to happen.

SSS doesn't work and will never work in the NE, there has to be state funded management to lower the wolf population, or we'll see our version of LOLO

I don't want that.

[wolfbait]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

More wolves? The wolves released where there aren't any would be collared wolves, documented packs and breeding pairs wouldn't have to be confirmed after livestock predation. And if there aren't wolves there yet then how would it add more wolves? 

Look at the rate WDFW are confirming bp's, at the rate they are going how many wolves will WA have by the time delisting rolls around? How many areas will be saturated with wolves while waiting for WDFW to confirm ten more bps?



IDFG's illegal permit authorized additional wolves to be "translocated" and injected into rich Central Idaho elk herds:
Due to the special permit and letter that IDFG illegally signed this allowed the USFWS to not only bring in the initial wolves in 1995, but gave them the authority “Translocate” additional  "Problem" wolves all over Idaho’s back country. In fact the USFWS translocated 117 wolves into then NRM from 1998-2001 and many of these additional wolves were released throughout Idaho’s elk rich backcountry devastating these elk populations. 

[jasnt]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

I do not want more wolves in this State but what I do want is to meet the managment goals so we as a state can move forward with a mangement plan to preserve what resources we have!!

As a west sider perhaps you don't have the intimate knowledge of the game populations in eastern washington which in my views are from Ritzville east not as you folks think anything over the pass. I have watched the resource dwindle from 40+ deer in my pasture to this fall 2 does with fawns. Granted we had hard winters during 2008 and then in 2009 but the winters since have been fairly mild and the herd has not recovered. When the WDFW did the aerial gunning of the Wedge wolf pack that was 5 miles due east from my front deck. I ran across the WDFW Wolf Bio about 6 weeks later during Elk season and he shared the fact they had gotten some of them but not all which satisfied both user groups the pro and con. 4 days after that I was standing in fresh wolf scat just about the Diamond M.  The next March I had wolves howling off my back deck in Ferry county.

I know our paths have never crossed but Bobcat's our yours but I do feel honored that the westside Liberals are looking out for the best interests of the folks on this side of the state by not wanting to accelerate the managment plan and get them de-listed so we can move forward.

As I was told by the Jay Shepard he said the locals are just not "Talking" thats where I'm going back to.

Once again, Thank you for opening my eyes.

Thanks for that, it's true, by being silent we capitulate and allow it to happen.

SSS doesn't work and will never work in the NE, there has to be state funded management to lower the wolf population, or we'll see our version of LOLO

I don't want that.

        

[huntnphool]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

I do not want more wolves in this State but what I do want is to meet the managment goals so we as a state can move forward with a mangement plan to preserve what resources we have!!

As a west sider perhaps you don't have the intimate knowledge of the game populations in eastern washington which in my views are from Ritzville east not as you folks think anything over the pass. I have watched the resource dwindle from 40+ deer in my pasture to this fall 2 does with fawns. Granted we had hard winters during 2008 and then in 2009 but the winters since have been fairly mild and the herd has not recovered. When the WDFW did the aerial gunning of the Wedge wolf pack that was 5 miles due east from my front deck. I ran across the WDFW Wolf Bio about 6 weeks later during Elk season and he shared the fact they had gotten some of them but not all which satisfied both user groups the pro and con. 4 days after that I was standing in fresh wolf scat just about the Diamond M.  The next March I had wolves howling off my back deck in Ferry county.

I know our paths have never crossed but Bobcat's our yours but I do feel honored that the westside Liberals are looking out for the best interests of the folks on this side of the state by not wanting to accelerate the managment plan and get them de-listed so we can move forward.

As I was told by the Jay Shepard he said the locals are just not "Talking" thats where I'm going back to.

Once again, Thank you for opening my eyes.

Thanks for that, it's true, by being silent we capitulate and allow it to happen.

SSS doesn't work and will never work in the NE, there has to be state funded management to lower the wolf population, or we'll see our version of LOLO

I don't want that.

 But what you guys obviously don't understand is to reach the 15 BP number there needs to be a increase in wolf numbers overall. Then, once we have reached that number, it will be maintained, the "management" will not allow the numbers to go below it.

 So you are falling for the politics of the whole thing. They bait you with the promise of "delisting" while hoping you don't realize that this means increasing the wolf numbers, which you guys obviously have fallen for.

 Which is better, the number of wolves we have now, let's just say 100 for example, and not having them "delisted", or 150 and having them "delisted"? Just because they get stamped with the "delisted" label does not mean we can then hunt them to a point of less than that 150 delisting number.

 If you are wanting them to be delisted in this state, you are, by default, wanting more wolves here than we currently have...............think about it!

[mkcj]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

I do not want more wolves in this State but what I do want is to meet the managment goals so we as a state can move forward with a mangement plan to preserve what resources we have!!

As a west sider perhaps you don't have the intimate knowledge of the game populations in eastern washington which in my views are from Ritzville east not as you folks think anything over the pass. I have watched the resource dwindle from 40+ deer in my pasture to this fall 2 does with fawns. Granted we had hard winters during 2008 and then in 2009 but the winters since have been fairly mild and the herd has not recovered. When the WDFW did the aerial gunning of the Wedge wolf pack that was 5 miles due east from my front deck. I ran across the WDFW Wolf Bio about 6 weeks later during Elk season and he shared the fact they had gotten some of them but not all which satisfied both user groups the pro and con. 4 days after that I was standing in fresh wolf scat just about the Diamond M.  The next March I had wolves howling off my back deck in Ferry county.

I know our paths have never crossed but Bobcat's our yours but I do feel honored that the westside Liberals are looking out for the best interests of the folks on this side of the state by not wanting to accelerate the managment plan and get them de-listed so we can move forward.

As I was told by the Jay Shepard he said the locals are just not "Talking" thats where I'm going back to.

Once again, Thank you for opening my eyes.

Thanks for that, it's true, by being silent we capitulate and allow it to happen.

SSS doesn't work and will never work in the NE, there has to be state funded management to lower the wolf population, or we'll see our version of LOLO

I don't want that.

 But what you guys obviously don't understand is to reach the 15 BP number there needs to be a increase in wolf numbers overall. Then, once we have reached that number, it will be maintained, the "management" will not allow the numbers to go below it.

 So you are falling for the politics of the whole thing. They bait you with the promise of "delisting" while hoping you don't realize that this means increasing the wolf numbers, which you guys obviously have fallen for.

 Which is better, the number of wolves we have now, let's just say 100 for example, and not having them "delisted", or 150 and having them "delisted"? Just because they get stamped with the "delisted" label does not mean we can then hunt them to a point of less than that 150 delisting number.

 If you are wanting them to be delisted in this state, you are, by default, wanting more wolves here than we currently have...............think about it!

If we move wolves we already have in this state to another part of the state how does that equal more wolves?

[KFhunter]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

I do not want more wolves in this State but what I do want is to meet the managment goals so we as a state can move forward with a mangement plan to preserve what resources we have!!

As a west sider perhaps you don't have the intimate knowledge of the game populations in eastern washington which in my views are from Ritzville east not as you folks think anything over the pass. I have watched the resource dwindle from 40+ deer in my pasture to this fall 2 does with fawns. Granted we had hard winters during 2008 and then in 2009 but the winters since have been fairly mild and the herd has not recovered. When the WDFW did the aerial gunning of the Wedge wolf pack that was 5 miles due east from my front deck. I ran across the WDFW Wolf Bio about 6 weeks later during Elk season and he shared the fact they had gotten some of them but not all which satisfied both user groups the pro and con. 4 days after that I was standing in fresh wolf scat just about the Diamond M.  The next March I had wolves howling off my back deck in Ferry county.

I know our paths have never crossed but Bobcat's our yours but I do feel honored that the westside Liberals are looking out for the best interests of the folks on this side of the state by not wanting to accelerate the managment plan and get them de-listed so we can move forward.

As I was told by the Jay Shepard he said the locals are just not "Talking" thats where I'm going back to.

Once again, Thank you for opening my eyes.

Thanks for that, it's true, by being silent we capitulate and allow it to happen.

SSS doesn't work and will never work in the NE, there has to be state funded management to lower the wolf population, or we'll see our version of LOLO

I don't want that.

 But what you guys obviously don't understand is to reach the 15 BP number there needs to be a increase in wolf numbers overall. Then, once we have reached that number, it will be maintained, the "management" will not allow the numbers to go below it.

 So you are falling for the politics of the whole thing. They bait you with the promise of "delisting" while hoping you don't realize that this means increasing the wolf numbers, which you guys obviously have fallen for.

 Which is better, the number of wolves we have now, let's just say 100 for example, and not having them "delisted", or 150 and having them "delisted"? Just because they get stamped with the "delisted" label does not mean we can then hunt them to a point of less than that 150 delisting number.

 If you are wanting them to be delisted in this state, you are, by default, wanting more wolves here than we currently have...............think about it!

We're well beyond those numbers, we have enough wolves just in three counties to delist for the entire state if only they were in the appropriate places and counted.  The problem is they aren't being counted or documented,  WDFW delays all they can in sanctifying a new wolf pack and BP as defined by the wolf plan.  Only when it's impossible to delay any longer (they're eating sheep/cattle/pets) then do we get a new wolf pack in WA.

By moving wolves from the east to the west there's no danger of falling below the objectives set for e/wa - as we're well beyond that already.

[bobcat]

If we move wolves we already have in this state to another part of the state how does that equal more wolves?

Basic biology. Two wolves don't stay two wolves for long. They reproduce and have a litter of pups. Then you get more reproduction, and more pups. That's how moving a couple of wolves to another part of the state would equal more wolves.