Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[Ridgeratt]

Well to KF,Wolfbait,Jasnt,Pa Ben & Dale you guys have a monumental task ahead of you educating both sides.            Good Luck

[jasnt]

Well to KF,Wolfbait,Jasnt,Pa Ben & Dale you guys have a monumental task ahead of you educating both sides.            Good Luck

sadly true.  I still don't understand how anyone could possibly think they won't ever get to 15 BP's.

I wish I had the money,knowledge, and exp. to do it.  I wish I could verify all these packs with video and gps and make it very public, show what is actually going on so people with a clue could see with their own eyes what's really going on

[wolfbait]

Well to KF,Wolfbait,Jasnt,Pa Ben & Dale you guys have a monumental task ahead of you educating both sides.            Good Luck

sadly true.  I still don't understand how anyone could possibly think they won't ever get to 15 BP's.

I wish I had the money,knowledge, and exp. to do it.  I wish I could verify all these packs with video and gps and make it very public, show what is actually going on so people with a clue could see with their own eyes what's really going on

WA passed the 15 bps along time ago, WDFW refuse to confirm. When you look at the wolf introduction into Idaho etc. starting in 1995-96>At a bare Minimum >In five years 1995-99 Idaho had 10 BP's @ 141 wolves and in 2000  they had 16 BP's with 192 wolves,  2003 was 30 BP's @ 368 wolves and in 2004 they had 44 BP's @ 454 wolves.

Now you look at WA, with wolves reported to WDFW from 2003 on, and ignored until 2008 when WDFW were forced to confirm a wolf pack in the Methow, thats 12 years worth of wolves, with WDFW claiming five wolves today.

[PA BEN]

Under the state’s Wolf Management Plan, wolves will be considered recovered when there are 15 successful breeding pairs for three consecutive years. The state is divided into three recovery areas and each area must have four pairs, with an additional three pairs located anywhere in the state.

While wolves remain endangered under state law, they are protected from killing and harassment. Once wolves are deemed recovered, they can be removed from state protection.
I'm sure glad this plan is irrelevant. By the time this so called plan works?? Well you do the math.   

[idaho guy]

 This legislator Joel Kretz is a genius. You should all start a pac to elect him as governor! Ever since they introduced wolves in Idaho,Montana, Wyoming I always thought the best way to get the wolf under control was put wolves in the backyards of the ones who love them. No offense to seattle hunters & outdoorsmen but King county would be I think ground zero for wolf lovers. Yes they will thrive in a population center just like coyotes and I live out of town but not too far  and we have had wolves in my neighbors pasture. Get behind this bill and then we can start pushing for transplant programs to southern California and maybe even central park in New York! I dont wish wolves on anyone but if we have to have them lets share the love and put them in the backyards of those who love them! I hate to say this but the best thing that can happen to states with wolves is for them to spread to every other state. Then everyone will see the wolf for what it is and we can get back to scientific predator management. If you include a wolf plan that mandates breeding plans in all zones it makes even more sense to do this. I agree that by the time wolves move their natuurally ne washington will be wiped out   

[GameHunter1959]

Been awhile since I have been on the boards. You guys are still trying to change each other's opinions on wolf management-LOL

They should just shoot off all the damn wolves and can this whole project.

[mfswallace]

This legislator Joel Kretz is a genius. You should all start a pac to elect him as governor! Ever since they introduced wolves in Idaho,Montana, Wyoming I always thought the best way to get the wolf under control was put wolves in the backyards of the ones who love them. No offense to seattle hunters & outdoorsmen but King county would be I think ground zero for wolf lovers. Yes they will thrive in a population center just like coyotes and I live out of town but not too far  and we have had wolves in my neighbors pasture. Get behind this bill and then we can start pushing for transplant programs to southern California and maybe even central park in New York! I dont wish wolves on anyone but if we have to have them lets share the love and put them in the backyards of those who love them! I hate to say this but the best thing that can happen to states with wolves is for them to spread to every other state. Then everyone will see the wolf for what it is and we can get back to scientific predator management. If you include a wolf plan that mandates breeding plans in all zones it makes even more sense to do this. I agree that by the time wolves move their natuurally ne washington will be wiped out   

I can't believe you did such a 180 on wolves    you normally defend/advocate so reading this has me so flabbergasted I just don't know what else to say 




Oh I thought you were the other idaho guy who knows so much about all the good things wolves do for ungulates 

[elk247]

I found this quote in the comments section after reading about the guy in Idaho that shot the wolf while walking his dogs. Thought some of you guys would appreciate it.

"Those that bemoan the plight of the poor Wolf should consider this.  Reintroducing these Apex predators in my backyard is the same as if I introduced Jeffrey Dommer or John Wayne Gacey in yours and then placed them in a protected status."

[jasnt]

"Those that bemoan the plight of the poor Wolf should consider this.  Reintroducing these Apex predators in my backyard is the same as if I introduced Jeffrey Dommer or John Wayne Gacey in yours and then placed them in a protected status."

Couldn't have said it better my self!!!!!!!!

[idaho guy]

This legislator Joel Kretz is a genius. You should all start a pac to elect him as governor! Ever since they introduced wolves in Idaho,Montana, Wyoming I always thought the best way to get the wolf under control was put wolves in the backyards of the ones who love them. No offense to seattle hunters & outdoorsmen but King county would be I think ground zero for wolf lovers. Yes they will thrive in a population center just like coyotes and I live out of town but not too far  and we have had wolves in my neighbors pasture. Get behind this bill and then we can start pushing for transplant programs to southern California and maybe even central park in New York! I dont wish wolves on anyone but if we have to have them lets share the love and put them in the backyards of those who love them! I hate to say this but the best thing that can happen to states with wolves is for them to spread to every other state. Then everyone will see the wolf for what it is and we can get back to scientific predator management. If you include a wolf plan that mandates breeding plans in all zones it makes even more sense to do this. I agree that by the time wolves move their natuurally ne washington will be wiped out   

I can't believe you did such a 180 on wolves    you normally defend/advocate so reading this has me so flabbergasted I just don't know what else to say 




Oh I thought you were the other idaho guy who knows so much about all the good things wolves do for ungulates 

You confused me with Idaho hunter. I have argued with Idaho hunter a lot on here on wolf topics but it doesnt do any good he has convinced himself our main problem is habitiat! Which is weird since many units are below objectives for elk which is defined as not ENOUGH elk given the carrying capacity of the Habitat. I think he just likes to argues with bearpaw and wolfbait    

[wolfbait]

This legislator Joel Kretz is a genius. You should all start a pac to elect him as governor! Ever since they introduced wolves in Idaho,Montana, Wyoming I always thought the best way to get the wolf under control was put wolves in the backyards of the ones who love them. No offense to seattle hunters & outdoorsmen but King county would be I think ground zero for wolf lovers. Yes they will thrive in a population center just like coyotes and I live out of town but not too far  and we have had wolves in my neighbors pasture. Get behind this bill and then we can start pushing for transplant programs to southern California and maybe even central park in New York! I dont wish wolves on anyone but if we have to have them lets share the love and put them in the backyards of those who love them! I hate to say this but the best thing that can happen to states with wolves is for them to spread to every other state. Then everyone will see the wolf for what it is and we can get back to scientific predator management. If you include a wolf plan that mandates breeding plans in all zones it makes even more sense to do this. I agree that by the time wolves move their natuurally ne washington will be wiped out   

I can't believe you did such a 180 on wolves    you normally defend/advocate so reading this has me so flabbergasted I just don't know what else to say 




Oh I thought you were the other idaho guy who knows so much about all the good things wolves do for ungulates 

You confused me with Idaho hunter. I have argued with Idaho hunter a lot on here on wolf topics but it doesnt do any good he has convinced himself our main problem is habitiat! Which is weird since many units are below objectives for elk which is defined as not ENOUGH elk given the carrying capacity of the Habitat. I think he just likes to argues with bearpaw and wolfbait

Idahohunter has come along way in the last year, you have to remember it's hard to reverse the teachings of the new age biologists. http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/files/elk%20plan/Jim_Peek_articles.pdf

Idahohunter is probably checking on the caribou herd right now, maybe herding them into some better habitat from the air. Or perhaps studying the common sense biologist manual. 

At any rate I have seen a Huge behavioral change in I-h he's like a new person on W-H, I'm surprised the rest of you haven't noticed.

[idaho guy]

 

[woodswalker]

KFH, Bearpaw, Ridgerat and anyone else, as hunters why do you want more wolves in this state? This is completely illogical to me.

Phool,

What is being proposed is to share the multitudinous benefits of wolf habitat with our city bretheren...I propose that the relocations be made in places near and dear to the city folk's hearts..where the howl of the wolf could be heard by the most folks....

Places like Discovery Park, Seward Park, Karkeek Park, St Edward State Park, Bridle Trails State Park, Seahurst Park, Maury and Vashon Islands, Point Defiance Park and Cougar Mountain Regional Wildlands Park.  Just for starters....  Then when the benefits become more obvious, add in places like Sehome Hill Arboretum, Watershed Park Clarks Creek Park and the Washington Park Arboretum.

Just spreading the love!!

[CAMPMEAT]

I'm 99% sure I have wolf poop on my ridge, 250 yards from my house......raise your hands, anybody on the westside of the state does, near Seattle. C'mon, raise your hands...anybody ?

[M_ray]

I'm 99% sure I have wolf poop on my ridge, 250 yards from my house......raise your hands, anybody on the westside of the state does, near Seattle. C'mon, raise your hands...anybody ?

And I'm 99% sure this this comment makes no sense  ... so whats your point?