SB 5500 Would Allow Retired WA LEOs to Carry Guns on School Property

[Bean Counter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

[Crunchy]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

Its not an added right, its an added responsibility.

[HUNTaHOLIC5]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

[SCRUBS]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

 

[KFhunter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

[rtspring]

Might as well add all veterans to thd list to if leos are gonna be allowed!!!

[timberfaller]

NO!! 

Why?

Because some of them go off the deep end later on in life TOO!!

[rtspring]

I'm not in favor of the general public carrying on school grounds, the fiasco in the legislature chamber is a good example why.  No training is required to carry concealed.  I'm not in favor of teachers carrying concealed unless they have mandatory training.


Retired LE has been trained for years, 20+ years.  This is a step in the right direction to ending gun free zones in schools.  I would add that I'd like to see them able to carry on school grounds provided they meet all the conditions of LEOSA, in fact it could just simply be tagged on to LEOSA nationally.


baby steps - last thing I want to see is a bunch of armed folks tramping around the school grounds like they did in the legislature recently.

I highly doubt a young stupid kid would go shoot up a school knowing those armed folks trampling around.....     So pick your poison, im gonna go with the armed folks trampling around.  The only way to combat a guy with a gun is others having guns should an attack occur...  You and millions of others dont get this FACT..

[Bean Counter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.

[HardCorpsHuntr]

Absolutely YES. 

As far as professions go, retired LEO's are the best overall trained to mitigate felonious assaultive actively at school events.  Second, only to active uniformed officers and non-uniformed officers (off duty/Detectives).   

I know several CCP holders I would want mingled with students at school events, but I also know a couple I would not.

[bigtex]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.

Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-duty

[KFhunter]

OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.

By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.

Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.

1) Forget on duty, I wasn't talking about on duty.  Also for clarification, I don't have friends in jail, or courtrooms nor drink armed, heck I don't even go to bars but once in a blue moon.  2-3 times a year for a burger at most.  It's a hypothetical so don't get all bent thinking I'm like that.  I'm not.

 

2) Your point is valid,  and I'm trying to explore your point, allowing civilian retired LE on school while barring all other concealed permit holders.
This is why I mentioned LEOSA.   LEOSA does grant additional carry privileges to retired LE that's not available to other citizens, this is why I said it should be tagged to that.  To make an RCW granting retired LE access to armed carry within schools might not be the correct avenue to take with this.

[CAMPMEAT]

So far, from what has been reported on the news is, only non-licensed people have done a horrible job at abiding by the GUN FREE ZONE rule, in any part, where this
assinine rule is applied.

ALL concealed carry holders shouldn't have thier 2 Amendment rights trampled on either.

[Jingles]

No because  they are retired and aren't any different that John Q Public and who ever thinks otherwise needs to pull their head out of their AZZ.
He she it is retired and or off duty therefore Nothing special, he77 they aren't anything special even when they are on duty as far as I'm concerned........

[KFhunter]

licensed law abiding people haven't been allowed to brings guns to school thereby introducing a firearm where previously there were none.

My worry is a teacher is carrying armed and a student plays the knock out game, gets the gun then commences to shooting the place up.
Ya, concealed is concealed...but spend enough time concealed there's going to be a slip up eventually then word will get around the school so-and-so teacher is packin.