HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property

[bigtex]

If you get caught so many times in so many years do they take your drivers license?

Yes
3 serious offenses in a 5 year period or 20 moving violations in a 5 year period.

20 huh.i guess hunter really are more hazardous than bad drivers not.

State law says that some minor fish and wildlife offenses which are natural resource infractions don't have license suspension. You can get a barbed hook ticket everyday for the rest of your life and your fishing license won't be suspended.

You get 20 traffic infractions and your driver's license is revoked for 7 years. That includes speeding, no insurance, snowmobile violations, ATV violations, etc.

[bigtex]

Ok I dont want to sound like i am personaly attacking anyone but I see out of your list so far a change in fines and penalties twice and two that are not laws yet is that correct?

Open marijuana container was passed in a different bill that contained numerous marijuana provisions.

The left lane driver bill is new, give it some time.

[stevemiller]

Ok I dont want to sound like i am personaly attacking anyone but I see out of your list so far a change in fines and penalties twice and two that are not laws yet is that correct?

Open marijuana container was passed in a different bill that contained numerous marijuana provisions.

The left lane driver bill is new, give it some time.

So would it be correct to say like I already did no new laws?Only added to laws.

[bigtex]

Ok I dont want to sound like i am personaly attacking anyone but I see out of your list so far a change in fines and penalties twice and two that are not laws yet is that correct?

Open marijuana container was passed in a different bill that contained numerous marijuana provisions.

The left lane driver bill is new, give it some time.

So would it be correct to say like I already did no new laws?Only added to laws.

Open marijuana container is a brand new law.

[stevemiller]

whats the rcw?

[bigtex]

whats the rcw?

There is no RCW yet. An RCW for a totally new offense isn't assigned until the law takes effect.

[stevemiller]

Oh lol thats what i thought.As i have stated and some of YOU tried to poke fun at me there is no law until it has an rcw. so i stand by what i said.If you cant be honest enough to admit that the examples you have used to prove your point against my statement are invalid at this time well then thats not my problem.

[bigtex]

Oh lol thats what i thought.As i have stated and some of YOU tried to poke fun at me there is no law until it has an rcw. so i stand by what i said.If you cant be honest enough to admit that the examples you have used to prove your point against my statement are invalid at this time well then thats not my problem.

Not true.

Once a bill is passed and signed by the governor it becomes "session law" each bill then has a law number, for the wildlife parts it is Chapter 154, 2015 Laws. All an RCW does is codify the law.

[stevemiller]

Im gonna slow down and give some examples of my own,lets see what you few say.If im trespassing and shed hunting Im gonna be fined differently than someone that is trespassing and picking berries?Im trespassing in my truck hunting so Im gonna be fined differantly (they will confiscate all my belongings that I have with me at the time) than i would be if i was doing the same but not during hunting season no weapon,and camping.ETC and these things are ok with you few?

[stevemiller]

Oh lol thats what i thought.As i have stated and some of YOU tried to poke fun at me there is no law until it has an rcw. so i stand by what i said.If you cant be honest enough to admit that the examples you have used to prove your point against my statement are invalid at this time well then thats not my problem.

Not true.

Once a bill is passed and signed by the governor it becomes "session law" each bill then has a law number, for the wildlife parts it is Chapter 154, 2015 Laws. All an RCW does is codify the law.

Can someone be prosecuted for a law that doesnt have an RCW yet?

[bigtex]

Oh lol thats what i thought.As i have stated and some of YOU tried to poke fun at me there is no law until it has an rcw. so i stand by what i said.If you cant be honest enough to admit that the examples you have used to prove your point against my statement are invalid at this time well then thats not my problem.

Not true.

Once a bill is passed and signed by the governor it becomes "session law" each bill then has a law number, for the wildlife parts it is Chapter 154, 2015 Laws. All an RCW does is codify the law.

Can someone be prosecuted for a law that doesnt have an RCW yet?

As long as the effective date has passed, yes.

The WA Code Reviser is the one who assigns an RCW. It can take several months for them to actually assign an RCW. So when there is a case of a law going into effect and it still hasn't been codified as an RCW there is a temporary "code" assigned to it. A couple years ago we saw this with the new shark fin laws, the effective date had passed but no RCW yet, so there was a "code" which started with a C and if I am correct it references the law number. Typically, however there is an RCW by the effective date, but there have been cases where that's not true.

[bearpaw]

I don't see this as a loss for anyone. It's already against the law to trespass, this law seems to clarify the issue better and will hopefully be more effective.

[Rainier10]

Im gonna slow down and give some examples of my own,lets see what you few say.If im trespassing and shed hunting Im gonna be fined differently than someone that is trespassing and picking berries?Im trespassing in my truck hunting so Im gonna be fined differantly (they will confiscate all my belongings that I have with me at the time) than i would be if i was doing the same but not during hunting season no weapon,and camping.ETC and these things are ok with you few?

Let me answer slow, yes you should be.  Just like a bartender should be punished differently for drinking and driving, a master hunter for violating the law and yes a hunter should be punished differently.

Have you taken the state hunter education class?  Trespassing is a big issue, asking landowner permission is big, knowing where you are is big.  The biggest complaint private landowners have about hunters is trespassing.  It is an important issue all hunters should be very aware and mindful of it.

Bottom line yes I think you should be held to a higher standard and have a better understanding about trespassing if you are a hunter.  I think we all need to be more mindful of how we represent ourselves to the general public.

[stevemiller]

Im gonna slow down and give some examples of my own,lets see what you few say.If im trespassing and shed hunting Im gonna be fined differently than someone that is trespassing and picking berries?Im trespassing in my truck hunting so Im gonna be fined differantly (they will confiscate all my belongings that I have with me at the time) than i would be if i was doing the same but not during hunting season no weapon,and camping.ETC and these things are ok with you few?

Let me answer slow, yes you should be.  Just like a bartender should be punished differently for drinking and driving, a master hunter for violating the law and yes a hunter should be punished differently.

Have you taken the state hunter education class?  Trespassing is a big issue, asking landowner permission is big, knowing where you are is big.  The biggest complaint private landowners have about hunters is trespassing.  It is an important issue all hunters should be very aware and mindful of it.

Bottom line yes I think you should be held to a higher standard and have a better understanding about trespassing if you are a hunter.  I think we all need to be more mindful of how we represent ourselves to the general public.

You say lisenced people should be held to a higher standard because they should know better,I thought that if you were an adult you were expected to know better wow,what happened to the ignorance is no excuse to the law?So now it doesnt matter if your ignorant or not if you are lisenced you should know better,Meanwhile they are cooking up new rules and regs at a neck breaking pace not even attorneys can keep up with whats legal and not.Let alone some average joe but thats all ok with you I see.I also see that you did not answer my question to you about the english and non english speaking people did you not have an answer or what?You are the one that put yourself in this debate,Do you feel that it would be fair to be fined because you speak the language and understand the language better but no fine for the other?This is all in what i am talking about with user groups being treated the same.So in a nut shell what you are saying is that since i went through hunters ed. and I didnt heck way to old to need it but anyways,I should no better than to kill an out of season animal without a tag but since joe snuffy didnt go through hunters ed he doesnt know any better so they shouldnt treat him the same as they do me because he didnt go through hunters ed?

[Rainier10]

It is tough to debate with someone who is so all over the board.  You ask one question and I answer and you follow up with two more not related to the topic.  Do I think someone with a hunting license should have more knowledge about trespassing yes.  Do I think someone with a drivers license should have a better understanding of traffic laws than someone that doesn't have a drivers license yes.  Do I think a licensed electrician should have a better understanding of the building codes than a guy googling how to wire up a three way switch yes.  How far off topic do you want to get this?

Do I want to debate penalities for english as a second language citizens versus those that speak english as their first language?  No I don't see the point to going down that path on this thread.  Start another one if you want to debate that.

I answered your question that pertains to this topic.  If you don't understand that we disagree I am not sure what you want me to do.  What fun would life be if everyone thought exactly like you?  Well we wouldn't be having this debate because this topic that you think is such a bad law that was unanimously approved wouldn't have happened.  Guess what? Not everyone agrees with you, so much so that this bill was introduced and passed.

Have you been watching this poll?  As people read the thread and get more information on the topic the votes in favored have increased faster than the initial votes against.  I would be willing to bet that now that many are more informed of what some of the issues are they may want to change their vote to be in support of this bill.

I will debate all you want but take some Ritalin and try to stay on topic.