Idaho wolf survey reveals thriving breeding numbers

[mfswallace]

IdHntr-  Looks like numbers are being cherry picked to discount the impact of wolves??

[Sitka_Blacktail]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

[wolfbait]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

As for the habitat issue.

Wolf Predation, More Bad News

So we have islands that are poor caribou habitat, but which have no predators versus a nearby national park that is excellent caribou habitat but which contains wolves. Now according to what many biologists and pro-wolf advocates would have you believe , habitat is the most important factor in maintaining healthy ungulate populations, while predation can largely be ignored. Well nothing could be further from the truth. Habitat, as it turns, is irrelevant and ecologists have been, at best, brain-dead for years

Despite the supposedly "poor" habitat in the Slate Islands, Bergerud and his research team recorded the highest densities of caribou ever found anywhere in North America. Read more @

http://idahoforwildlife.com/Charles%20Kay/76-wolf%20predation-more%20bad%20news.pdf

[idahohuntr]

"Habitat is irrelevant" and "braindead" definitely belong in the same sentence. 

Habitat = food, water, shelter. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

And now we get to the just of Wolfbait's whole argument. "There aren't any legitimate candidates" So he is justified trashing anyone who gets the job, regardless of what their credentials are, their training, what they are capable of, and how good of a job they do.

How about this. We make you, Wolfbait, Governor of Washington. You hand pick your wildlife commission. Now who do they pick for the Director of WDFW?

[wolfbait]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

And now we get to the just of Wolfbait's whole argument. "There aren't any legitimate candidates" So he is justified trashing anyone who gets the job, regardless of what their credentials are, their training, what they are capable of, and how good of a job they do.

How about this. We make you, Wolfbait, Governor of Washington. You hand pick your wildlife commission. Now who do they pick for the Director of WDFW?

S-b it would appear as though you are not interested in any of Unsworth's past history. Do you suppose the Wildlife commission hired Unsworth for his looks or because of his history with IDFG?

 I have never heard anyones history called "trash" until you came along.


Two-Thirds of Idaho Wolf Carcasses Examined Have Thousands of Hydatid Disease Tapeworms

On December 13, 2009 in Idaho Hunting Today and other Black Bear Blog websites, Tom Remington first revealed the results of the Washington laboratory checking Idaho and Montana wolf intestines for E. granulosus tapeworms. Mr. Remington was probably not aware of the 10-page September 2006 IDFG Wildlife Health Laboratory (WHL) Report which included only the following sentence about IDFG’s discovery of hydatid disease in mule deer, elk and a mountain goat during necropsy (post mortem) examinations of various species:

“In addition, 1 mountain goat and several mule deer and elk were found to have hydatid cysts in the lungs (Echinococcus granulosa), likely with wolves as the definitive host of this previously unrecognized parasite in the state.”

The report states: “Wolf necropsies indicated the presence of lice,” but makes no mention of finding E. granulosus eggs in the wolf feces or adult worms in the wolf intestines. It also mentions examining fecal samples from 10 live wolves that were captured but again there is no mention of the existence of the eggs which resulted in the deer, elk and a goat being infected with hydatid disease.

The report, published by IDFG Director Steve Huffaker, was signed by IDFG Veterinarians Mark Drew and Phil Mamer and approved by IDFG Wildlife Program Coordinator Dale Toweill and IDFG Wildlife Bureau Chief (now Deputy Director) Jim Unsworth.

Yet the September 2007 WHL Report published by new IDFG Director Cal Groen and signed by the same four IDFG officials states:

“Wolf necropsies indicated the continued presence of lice (Trichodectes canis) and tape worm (Echinococcus), previously detected last year in Idaho. Wolves are most likely the definitive host of this previously unrecognized parasite in the state”. (emphasis added)

In other words this 2007 Report admitted the worms were discovered in wolves in 2005-2006 but failed to mention the hydatid cysts that were also discovered in mule deer, elk and the mountain goat. The 2008 IDFG WHL Report contained exactly the same sentence about tapeworms in wolves as the 2007 report but again failed to mention the diseased deer and elk.

To most of us the announcement of one more tapeworm found in a canine, especially a tiny one whose name we can neither pronounce nor remember, hardly merits a second glance. But when that worm is a new biotype that has never been reported south of the U.S-Canadian border, is already infecting deer and elk with a disease known to range from benign to debilitating to occasionally fatal in humans, and is obviously being spread by wolves across thousands of square miles, that would raise red flags of concern in most intelligent people.

Read More @  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/01/06/two-thirds-of-idaho-wolf-carcasses-examined-have-thousands-of-hydatid-disease-tapeworms/

[idahohuntr]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

And now we get to the just of Wolfbait's whole argument. "There aren't any legitimate candidates" So he is justified trashing anyone who gets the job, regardless of what their credentials are, their training, what they are capable of, and how good of a job they do.

How about this. We make you, Wolfbait, Governor of Washington. You hand pick your wildlife commission. Now who do they pick for the Director of WDFW?

This definitely highlights his desire to only be a critic and complainer and not provide solutions to complex problems. 

[jasnt]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

And now we get to the just of Wolfbait's whole argument. "There aren't any legitimate candidates" So he is justified trashing anyone who gets the job, regardless of what their credentials are, their training, what they are capable of, and how good of a job they do.

How about this. We make you, Wolfbait, Governor of Washington. You hand pick your wildlife commission. Now who do they pick for the Director of WDFW?

This definitely highlights his desire to only be a critic and complainer and not provide solutions to complex problems. 

why are we talking about wolfbait instead of Idahos thriving wolf numbers?  Isn't this the same thing you complain about ID? Your infamous quote is coming to mind

[hirshey]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  I get that the facts don't fit the hysteria you frequently try to peddle, so why don't you tell us who you would like to have seen hired as director if Unsworth is such a bad choice?

Wolfbait won't answer that question. I already asked him.

It's a stupid question. Hunter etc. will never get a legitimate WDFW directer as long as the current administration is in charge, we need changes from the top down starting with the governor.

And now we get to the just of Wolfbait's whole argument. "There aren't any legitimate candidates" So he is justified trashing anyone who gets the job, regardless of what their credentials are, their training, what they are capable of, and how good of a job they do.

How about this. We make you, Wolfbait, Governor of Washington. You hand pick your wildlife commission. Now who do they pick for the Director of WDFW?

This definitely highlights his desire to only be a critic and complainer and not provide solutions to complex problems. 

why are we talking about wolfbait instead of Idahos thriving wolf numbers?  Isn't this the same thing you complain about ID? Your infamous quote is coming to mind

Agreed. 

[wolfbait]

Idaho Fish and Game: Conflict or Outright Corruption - See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2012/03/13/idaho-fish-and-game-conflict-or-outright-corruption/#sthash.FqVcTqF0.dpuf

[idahohuntr]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  If folks want to make every wolf topic a referendum on Jim Unsworth...then I think its fair to ask who should have been hired as director.  If they don't want to answer the simple question then I find it appropriate to point out while some constantly complain about Unsworth they are not providing a viable candidate who should have been hired. 

I also don't have a lot of patience for those who attack public servants in false and misinformed ways as some on this forum are very prone to do.

[wolfbait]

IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt.  Also the predator and habitat issues are not mutually exclusive.  If folks want to make every wolf topic a referendum on Jim Unsworth...then I think its fair to ask who should have been hired as director.  If they don't want to answer the simple question then I find it appropriate to point out while some constantly complain about Unsworth they are not providing a viable candidate who should have been hired. 

I also don't have a lot of patience for those who attack public servants in false and misinformed ways as some on this forum are very prone to do.

"IDFG has done a great job with the hand they were dealt"

When the Draft Wolf EIS was written in 1993, IDFG Wolf Biologists justified wolf introduction by providing prey population estimates that were 600% higher than actually existed.

you can read more @  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,169210.0.html

[CAMPMEAT]

quote " I think it's pretty obvious that Wolfbait wouldn't like any director "




I'm with wolfbait  bobcat, we don't like being lied to, by any corrupt government agency, which is all of them.

[Special T]

  If folks want to make every wolf topic a referendum on Jim Unsworth...then I think its fair to ask who should have been hired as director.  If they don't want to answer the simple question then I find it appropriate to point out while some constantly complain about Unsworth they are not providing a viable candidate who should have been hired.

I think that is an interesting question. Im not sure how many other people have western states experience AND would be willing to move to Washington. I would argue that most of the people we NEED would be unwilling to leave they state they are working in to come to a department with VERY low staff morale, and the political situation we have in this state.

[CAMPMEAT]

  If folks want to make every wolf topic a referendum on Jim Unsworth...then I think its fair to ask who should have been hired as director.  If they don't want to answer the simple question then I find it appropriate to point out while some constantly complain about Unsworth they are not providing a viable candidate who should have been hired.

I think that is an interesting question. Im not sure how many other people have western states experience AND would be willing to move to Washington. I would argue that most of the people we NEED would be unwilling to leave they state they are working in to come to a department with VERY low staff morale, and the political situation we have in this state.
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Very well said Special T. Everything about this state stinks. I'm putting my house up for sale in the spring and getting the hell out of here.