new topic allright !! mutiseason license

[cryder]

Instead of the seasonal gamble on wich gmu or wich specific tag for what unit ive decided to pursue this multi season license deal,im thinking its because its the only thing that wasn't in the tag soup I created this past season,but I like the idea of more bow hunting not nessasarily on public lands im a little crazy but not retarded,you guys with the missle launchers can have and deserve everything you get,my self ill choose life !!Anywasy I was wondering if any off season readers know about this deal and the odds of getting this opportunity any information would be greatly appreciated !But for now ill just wait for that darn ice to melt off fourth of july lake. GO HAWKS !!!

[bobcat]

Last year was 99% chance to draw multi season deer. For the multi season elk you don't have good odds until you get at least 5 or 6 points. Which one are you considering?

[Bob33]

Draw odds from last season can be found here: http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/

[Rainier10]

If you are going for deer don't put in as partner's with Radsav and you will be fine.

[Timberstalker]

If you are going for deer don't put in as partner's with Radsav and you will be fine.

That's funny stuff!

[JimmyHoffa]

If you are going for deer don't put in as partner's with Radsav and you will be fine.

Hmmm....but he will have twice as many points going in compared to most.  Do they square points for multiseason too?

[trophyhunt]

If you are going for deer don't put in as partner's with Radsav and you will be fine.

OUCH! Very funny....for us anyway!?! 

[cryder]

As I expected ! Rough crowd,I was just considering deer and with the multi,flavor tag soup I was forced to swallow teeming up could only increase my odds by 50% I guess,Ive heard the odds are good on just deer and I believe im packing 6 points ,well Ill leave you folks to entertain yourselves, hopefully not at my,humerouse exspense,      GO HAWKS !!!!

[Rainier10]

As I expected ! Rough crowd,I was just considering deer and with the multi,flavor tag soup I was forced to swallow teeming up could only increase my odds by 50% I guess,Ive heard the odds are good on just deer and I believe im packing 6 points ,well Ill leave you folks to entertain yourselves, hopefully not at my,humerouse exspense,      GO HAWKS !!!!

Didn't mean to offend you, the jabs were directed at Radsav, he is the only guy that I heard of that put in for the multiseason deer permit and didn't get drawn.

Deer is pretty much a given unless you mess up the application or have really and I mean really bad luck.

Elk is tougher to draw but well worth it.  It opens up your options as wide as you can get without having the governor's tag.

Again didn't mean to offend you, sorry if I did.

You might want to think about your initial post, the highlighted part may have offended some of the rifle guys, almost sounds like you are saying they are retarded.

Instead of the seasonal gamble on wich gmu or wich specific tag for what unit ive decided to pursue this multi season license deal,im thinking its because its the only thing that wasn't in the tag soup I created this past season,but I like the idea of more bow hunting not nessasarily on public lands im a little crazy but not retarded,you guys with the missle launchers can have and deserve everything you get,my self ill choose life !!Anywasy I was wondering if any off season readers know about this deal and the odds of getting this opportunity any information would be greatly appreciated !But for now ill just wait for that darn ice to melt off fourth of july lake. GO HAWKS !!!

[D-Rock425]

Putting in with a partner doesn't increase odds unless your partner has a ton more points than you do.  Only one person gets in the hat To draw from.

[washelkhunter]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

[bearhunter99]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

[washelkhunter]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

[Rainier10]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

This is how RadSav didn't get drawn.  Not poking fun or calling anyone out, just sayin when people put in for a permit and don't buy it people like RadSav that put in and want to buy the permit but didn't get drawn lose.

[CAMPMEAT]

I've got 12 points for elk, honestly. Where should I apply, why and I want to know where your honey holes are ?

[D-Rock425]

I've got 12 points for elk, honestly. Where should I apply, why and I want to know where your honey holes are ?

C-post unit.

[cbond3318]

I've got 12 points for elk, honestly. Where should I apply, why and I want to know where your honey holes are ?

C-post unit.

Anywaysy...

[D-Rock425]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

its funny how the state is really laughing at you for spending the 5 bucks every year for nothing.  Now tell,me who's sticking it to who?  The only thing you're doing is taking away from the guy that might really use it.  The state can give a poo about your 140 bucks.

[JBar]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

I'm not as much into elk hunting as I am deer hunting so I put in for Multi deer for the chance to chase them longer, if you're not going to buy it after getting drawn don't put in, that just takes away from folks like myself who enjoy the opportunity. 

[grundy53]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

It would cost you zero if you didn't apply. I really don't understand why you would pay the money to put in for the permit knowing full well you won't buy it. I'm sure folks like Radsav aren't too happy you are taking a permit out of their pocket.

[Rainier10]

Ill put in for deer but wont buy the permit, if awarded elk i will buy that. If not i may not even bother hunting in Wa this year esp if they make us pay full freight for the big/small combo.

Just curious, why would you put in for the permit if you aren't going to buy it?

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

It would cost you zero if you didn't apply. I really don't understand why you would pay the money to put in for the permit knowing full well you won't buy it. I'm sure folks like Radsav aren't too happy you are taking a permit out of their pocket.

Seems odd to me but people do it all the time, putting in for permits that they don't intend to use.  Some of them do it thinking that they are saving the animals lives by taking the opportunity away from someone that would actually kill the animal and fill the tag.

Not saying that is what washelkhunter is doing, he says he is doing to make a statement to the game department.  I guess everyone has the choice to use the permit process however they want.  It's not what I would do but if it works for them more power to them.

[washelkhunter]

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

It would cost you zero if you didn't apply. I really don't understand why you would pay the money to put in for the permit knowing full well you won't buy it. I'm sure folks like Radsav aren't too happy you are taking a permit out of their pocket.
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Well here's the deal. The state is playing us for chumps. I contend they should be giving the permit drawer 3 transport tags for deer one for each weapon season. They should have capped it at like 2000 permits. Everyone would be all over that and happy to play. Instead they started out at 4000 permits for a few years but then 2 years ago increased the no: available 110% all for still only 1 deer. At the rate of $185 + change; old rate; but still $165+ I can buy a lot of chicken for that much dough, DOH! And if I want to just go chase critters around I can do that for just the cost of fuel and still learn and have fun. As far as Radsav goes he got more enjoyment on here for having not been drawn then he would have ever got with the MS.   

[grundy53]

Simple cost v benefit decision. The MS deer has always been flawed. For the cost you should be recieving a transport tag for each season. I dont mind the expense for the elk because 1 elk is equal to 3-4 deer. I wont buy the deer because i know the state is counting on the windfall.

It would cost you zero if you didn't apply. I really don't understand why you would pay the money to put in for the permit knowing full well you won't buy it. I'm sure folks like Radsav aren't too happy you are taking a permit out of their pocket.

Well here's the deal. The state is playing us for chumps. I contend they should be giving the permit drawer 3 transport tags for deer one for each weapon season. They should have capped it at like 2000 permits. Everyone would be all over that and happy to play. Instead they started out at 4000 permits for a few years but then 2 years ago increased the no: available 110% all for still only 1 deer. At the rate of $185 + change; old rate; but still $165+ I can buy a lot of chicken for that much dough, DOH! And if I want to just go chase critters around I can do that for just the cost of fuel and still learn and have fun. As far as Radsav goes he got more enjoyment on here for having not been drawn then he would have got with the MS.   
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I think you missed my point. If you don't like the permit, why waste your money putting in for it?

[JBar]

And WHY take the opportunity away from someone who wants it?

[Rainier10]

As far as Radsav goes he got more enjoyment on here for having not been drawn then he would have ever got with the MS.   

this is possible.    But still missing the point that others could use that permit.  Again it is your right to put in and not use it if you choose.

[washelkhunter]

Its not wasted money to me. Ill gladly pay $6.50 to deprive the moneygrubbers $165. But thats just me. Like i said its a flawed gig designed to seperate the rubes from their change. Perhaps im saving some poor hunter who really cant afford it from wasting their money eh.   

[Jingles]

Then those that put in for permits and don't use won't mind if land owners post property that was normally open but decided they want to keep it for themselves and their families and friends

[Jonathan_S]

Its not wasted money to me. Ill gladly pay $6.50 to deprive the moneygrubbers $165. But thats just me. Like i said its a flawed gig designed to seperate the rubes from their change. Perhaps im saving some poor hunter who really cant afford it from wasting their money eh.   

That would make sense if the number of tags wasn't already bigger than the number of applicants.

[bobcat]

Its not wasted money to me. Ill gladly pay $6.50 to deprive the moneygrubbers $165. But thats just me. Like i said its a flawed gig designed to seperate the rubes from their change. Perhaps im saving some poor hunter who really cant afford it from wasting their money eh.   

That would make sense if the number of tags wasn't already bigger than the number of applicants.

That's not true anymore. In 2014 there were 8,593 applications for 8,500 permits.

[Jonathan_S]

Oh yeah I forgot, it finally broke the ceilling.

Congrats washelkhunter, you screwed 92 folks   

[sakoshooter]

 The entire 'multi-season' license is a Cash Cow for the WDFW. I got that straight from the WDFW the first year they ran/ripped us off with it.
Many of you on here have stated that you'll pay anything for licenses and tags in WA. If I had that kind of money, I'd be spending it in another state with better hunting and a Game Dept that truly cares about it's game and it's hunters.
Putting in for the multi season license with no intention of buying it is no different than everyone that fills in all 4 spaces on a special hunt app with no intention of hunting any of them after the first one.

[CAMPMEAT]

I've got 12 points for elk, honestly. Where should I apply, why and I want to know where your honey holes are ?

C-post unit.

Thanks. I knew I forgot that one for answers....

[pd]

Oh yeah I forgot, it finally broke the ceilling.

Congrats washelkhunter, you screwed 92 folks   

Actually, it turns out that he did not "screw 92 folks."  Here is why, from the statistics' link above:

1888   MULTISEASON DEER   
Total Permits: 8,500   
Total Issued:  8,500   
Total Applications: 8,593   
Not selected: 93
4999   POINTS OPTION: 171

So, you see, of the 8,500 permits available, WDFW actually sold all 8,500 of them.  171 applicants lost out (RadSav included).  WashElkHunter is out the $6.60 it cost him to apply, but even though he might have been selected, because he didn't purchase by the deadline, somebody else got his tag.  The state lost nothing, all 8,500 winning applicants purchased their multi-season tag.

[bobcat]

I seriously doubt that all 8,500 multi season deer tags were sold. That info you put up only says that 8,500 permits were issued, not 8,500 TAGS WERE SOLD.

[Jonathan_S]

I seriously doubt that all 8,500 multi season deer tags were sold. That info you put up only says that 8,500 permits were issued, not 8,500 TAGS WERE SOLD.

   I doubt they went from selling a few thousand to 8,500

[LeviD1]

I wish people would stop putting in for it for a couple years to make them drop the price. I would like to put in for one but cant justify spending that kind of money. So all you guys that buy one stop doing it for a while will ya! 

[cryder]

Soooo ,Again ive stepped on the modern guys abit strong ,and for that im well ( thinking;;;;; )Anyways, 6 years ago in my place of elk persuit g.m.u. 364 I was left on a trail at 430am ,I knew where I was headed in the dark ,we had walked it the day before,not even 20 minutes into the walk with it still dark , aside from the moon,a gun goes off the half tree stump 15 yards in front of me takes a pounding and so does the ground below me cuz I think im dead,as I lay there in cover the fool shoots again !! I hear the shot hit canvas,or so I used to say when I thought rifle hunting was hunting.After the commotion I headed the rest of the way up the canyon,by the timei got to the top it was daylight im late and the hillside looks like a moveing pumpkin patch,sure ive heard use the heard but this day put a end to rifle hunting for ever !!The funny thing is I recognized the brown tocoma across the road from our main camp as they werte getting busted for hanging a spike with a hanger on it !!fool went to jail where he belongs.   BOWHUNTER FOR EVER !!  GO HAWKS !! And by the way I will be rethinking my plan after all this discution I have to evaluate some time before mid may ,ill try ? thanx guys !!

[Bob33]

Oh yeah I forgot, it finally broke the ceilling.

Congrats washelkhunter, you screwed 92 folks   

Actually, it turns out that he did not "screw 92 folks."  Here is why, from the statistics' link above:

1888   MULTISEASON DEER   
Total Permits: 8,500   
Total Issued:  8,500   
Total Applications: 8,593   
Not selected: 93
4999   POINTS OPTION: 171

So, you see, of the 8,500 permits available, WDFW actually sold all 8,500 of them.  171 applicants lost out (RadSav included).  WashElkHunter is out the $6.60 it cost him to apply, but even though he might have been selected, because he didn't purchase by the deadline, somebody else got his tag.  The state lost nothing, all 8,500 winning applicants purchased their multi-season tag.

This is incorrect on a few points. The 171 applicants applied for points and did not "lose out"; they acquired a point, which is what they presumably wanted.  There were 93 applications (not applicants, but a close approximation) that applied for a tag, and were not drawn. Whether or not they "lost out" depends on whether they really wanted to be drawn, like Radsav, or were applying for some other reason (to prevent others from drawing, changed their mind after applying, hadn't a clue what they were applying for, etc.)

WDFW did not sell 8500 tags. They offered tags to individuals who jointly submitted 8500 applications. The number of individuals that actually purchased the tags is unknown from public data, but is certainly less than 8500.