9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group

[DOUBLELUNG]

I come up with 8 that I believe support hunting and lethal control as necessary for responsible wolf management; 7 that will oppose reasonable standards for harvest and control - even if they give lip service to "after all other options exhausted"; and 3 unknown (Stone, Howe and Erskine).  Probably a decent mix for WA.

[timberfaller]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Tim Coleman 

The object of the committee is to keep the "city dwellers" mis-informed!

I agree with what has been stated about the  no matter what data, scientific or FACTS, their agenda comes first and if you don't like it, they will let their attorney's speak.

Been around them for decades,  their minds are like a steel trap, hard to open and quick to close!!

HSUS has no business being on the Committee, their Bais(anti-hunting) is to over the hill.

[CAMPMEAT]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Tim Coleman 

The object of the committee is to keep the "city dwellers" mis-informed!

I agree with what has been stated about the  no matter what data, scientific or FACTS, their agenda comes first and if you don't like it, they will let their attorney's speak.

Been around them for decades,  their minds are like a steel trap, hard to open and quick to close!!

HSUS has no business being on the Committee, their Bais(anti-hunting) is to over the hill.

Couldn't agree more..............

[Curly]

Yeah.  I agree too. WTH are they thinking letting someone from HSUS on there?

[CementFinisher]

Don't count sierra club they have tried to appear pro hunting but they are anti hunting and very pro wolf. ive come up with 6 members that would be on the side of hunters and wolf managment

[Southpole]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Kettle Range Conservation Group is anti-everything, it's their way or no way. One of the members we know live near our cabin in Curlew and he gives the private timber company, we live next to, a hard time all the time... until he needs firewood then it's okay.

[wolfbait]

"WDFW Director Jim Unsworth said the new members will bring diverse personal and professional backgrounds to the group that makes recommendations to guide the department's implementation of the state's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan."

Everything sounds pretty normal to me, I hope none of you had your hopes up thinking WDFW etc. were going to turn over a new leaf of honesty.

[Special T]

My thoughts on this... I feel like it's a waste to have people from groups like Conservation NW, Defenders of Wildlife, Wolf Haven International and the Humane Society on the committee. Not because I think they're "crazy wolf humpers" and that I don't agree with them but because history has proven that no amount of logic will ever change their opinion on wolves.

WDFW represents all citizens, not just hunters.

Here is where i take umbrage with you statement Bob. An increasing amount of funds from sportsmen are used to support the WDFW so why is the representation for those who pay the bills decreasing? If some how these "Anti" groups were contributing to funding of WDFW i think they should have a say. I will have to double check but i think i only see 3 that are really sportmen related the rest are so called "Share holders" I think the cattlemens and Sheep association reps dont contribute but are directly impacted. How doe these other Groups have skin in the game?

[CAMPMEAT]

My thoughts on this... I feel like it's a waste to have people from groups like Conservation NW, Defenders of Wildlife, Wolf Haven International and the Humane Society on the committee. Not because I think they're "crazy wolf humpers" and that I don't agree with them but because history has proven that no amount of logic will ever change their opinion on wolves.

WDFW represents all citizens, not just hunters.

Here is where i take umbrage with you statement Bob. An increasing amount of funds from sportsmen are used to support the WDFW so why is the representation for those who pay the bills decreasing? If some how these "Anti" groups were contributing to funding of WDFW i think they should have a say. I will have to double check but i think i only see 3 that are really sportmen related the rest are so called "Share holders" I think the cattlemens and Sheep association reps dont contribute but are directly impacted. How doe these other Groups have skin in the game?

The Cattlemen and Sheep Associations contribute quite a bit I bet.. They are hunters too, along with being business men and women. They have a lot of earning power loss at stake, because of the wants of the antis and the lack of say by the hunters and their associates.

[Bob33]

If history is any indicator, the composition of this group will have little effect on the outcome anyway. Advisory groups tend to serve as little more than cover for what WDFW wants to do regardless.

[idahohuntr]

3 for the price of 1...

Here is where i take umbrage with you statement Bob. An increasing amount of funds from sportsmen are used to support the WDFW so why is the representation for those who pay the bills decreasing? If some how these "Anti" groups were contributing to funding of WDFW i think they should have a say.
They do.  They pay taxes.
I will have to double check but i think i only see 3 that are really sportmen related the rest are so called "Share holders" I think the cattlemens and Sheep association reps dont contribute but are directly impacted. How doe these other Groups have skin in the game?They own the wildlife being impacted by the management decisions carried out by WDFW...just like you and me.

Everything sounds pretty normal to me, I hope none of you had your hopes up thinking WDFW etc. were going to turn over a new leaf of honesty.

Yea, because you're the arbiter of truth and honesty in wolf issues     

If history is any indicator, the composition of this group will have little effect on the outcome anyway. Advisory groups tend to serve as little more than cover for what WDFW wants to do regardless.

I think one of biggest benefits of advisory groups is not that the group makes decisions for WDFW, but that WDFW can communicate information to its multiple stakeholders in one forum.  This is particularly important for controversial issues imo.

[Special T]

Here is where i take umbrage with you statement Bob. An increasing amount of funds from sportsmen are used to support the WDFW so why is the representation for those who pay the bills decreasing? If some how these "Anti" groups were contributing to funding of WDFW i think they should have a say.
They do.  They pay taxes.
I will have to double check but i think i only see 3 that are really sportmen related the rest are so called "Share holders" I think the cattlemens and Sheep association reps dont contribute but are directly impacted. How doe these other Groups have skin in the game?They own the wildlife being impacted by the management decisions carried out by WDFW...just like you and me.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/graphics/2014oct27/slide1.jpg Only 16% of the WDFW funds come from the general fund.
Here is the definition of the state wild life account. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.12.170 the only real non sportsmen funds com from watch able wildlife sales... I would imagine that number is fairly small

Federal mones are mostly made up of Pitman-Robers funds, Dingell–Johnson Funds and grants to "Study" ESA issues and that mostly comes from those funds as well.

So we could fight over a % I say no more than 30% are "General funds" so why do they have more than 30% of the stakeholder positions? BTW i would include  Cattlemens and other ranching associations in that 30% of "General public input" at the table. Straight up SPORTSMAN representation is well below the 50% mark and i would find it very difficult for anyone to argue that we dont support the department at least that much.

[CAMPMEAT]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Kettle Range Conservation Group is anti-everything, it's their way or no way. One of the members we know live near our cabin in Curlew and he gives the private timber company we live next to a hard time all the time... until he needs firewood then it's okay.

It's funny how true that is. One of the commies even lives in a log house. Another one, has a famous mountain climber relative there name  starts with Whittakker (?) that left garbage all over the world on tall mountains. They are all very popular people around here....

[Southpole]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Kettle Range Conservation Group is anti-everything, it's their way or no way. One of the members we know live near our cabin in Curlew and he gives the private timber company, we live next to, a hard time all the time... until he needs firewood then it's okay.

It's funny how true that is. One of the commies even lives in a log house. Another one, has a famous mountain climber relative there name  starts with Whittakker (?) that left garbage all over the world on tall mountains. They are all very popular people around here....

They like to hold the "we're saving the planet" badge in your face, but we know it's really about power and control... ruler of the sandbox if you will.

[CAMPMEAT]

Tim Coleman is our biggest enemy in Ferry County, right smack dab in the middle of wolf country. This puke is 100 % anti-everything unless it's enviro related. He is well known around here..................who picked these people anyhow. No wonder nothing gets done. Again, the deck is stacked against us hunters, ATVers etc.

Kettle Range Conservation Group is anti-everything, it's their way or no way. One of the members we know live near our cabin in Curlew and he gives the private timber company, we live next to, a hard time all the time... until he needs firewood then it's okay.

It's funny how true that is. One of the commies even lives in a log house. Another one, has a famous mountain climber relative there name  starts with Whittakker (?) that left garbage all over the world on tall mountains. They are all very popular people around here....

They like to hold the "we're saving the planet" badge in your face, but we know it's really about power and control... ruler of the sandbox if you will.

We were talking about them at coffee this morning. It's really irritating to the ranchers I know how all the anti's are on this committee.