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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2015, 10:56:24 PM »
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The next meeting of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife's wolf advisory group will be closed to the public at the recommendation of a private consultant.

OLYMPIA — The first meeting of the state’s expanded wolf advisory group will be closed to the public at the request of a private consultant, a Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife official said Wednesday.

WDFW has hired Francine Madden, executive director of Ohio-based Human-Wildlife Conflict Collaboration, to facilitate the two-day meeting, May 21-22, in Spokane.

The group, which has been doubled in size to 18 members since its formation in 2013, has met nine previous times in public to talk about WDFW’s execution of Washington’s wolf recovery plan, a subject of intense public interest.

WDFW’s wolf policy coordinator, Dave Ware, said Madden wanted the first meeting of the enlarged board to be closed to encourage members to speak freely and get to know each other.

“I think people are more willing to share and be open without that scrutiny,” he said.

Efforts to reach Madden were not successful.

Ware said WDFW maintains that the meeting does not have to be open under state law because the advisory group does not set department policy. With new members joining the board, the meeting will be “more about getting up to speed on wolf-management issues,” Ware said.

Madden recently interviewed ranchers, environmentalists, hunters, WDFW employees and other public officials for an assessment of the public conflict over wolf management. Ware said the report cost the state $82,000. Her fee for facilitating the wolf advisory group meeting was not immediately available.

Washington Cattlemen’s Association Executive Vice President Jack Field, who has been on the board since it was formed, said the board has always allowed the public to observe meetings and offer their comments at the end.

“I don’t see any reason it needs to be closed,” he said.

Field said the board members should be held more accountable by taking votes on recommendations — something they’ve never done before.

Field said he’s pushing for the board to jump in at this month’s meeting and begin talking about policy decisions related to lethal control and recovery goals for wolves.

“I’m not interested in going to a marshmallow roast, making s’mores and doing some team-building,” he said. “I just want to get something done.”

Another advisory group member, Sierra Club representative Bob Aegerter, said he agreed with Madden’s recommendation to close the meeting.

“I think she’s an excellent choice to be a moderator because she has experience and will be impartial,” he said.

Madden reported interviewing more than 90 people in compiling a report on their views of wolf management. The report does not address how to manage wolves, though it does recommend that parties should build trust and have positive dialogue.

Ware said the report showed that WDFW could improve its handling of humans. “We need to figure out how to do a better job of dealing with the social side of wolf management,” he said.

Aegerter called the report “thorough,” while Field said the money could have been better spent.

Field said he wasn’t surprised to read that ranchers are concerned about livestock predation, while environmentalists are worried that wildlife managers are too quick to resort to lethal control.

“I don’t know why they thought it was necessary to have it,” Field said. “I personally would rather have seen them spend the $82,000 collaring more wolves.”


    Field is right, sounds like a kum ba yah meeting    :fire.:
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2015, 11:01:09 PM »
“I’m not interested in going to a marshmallow roast, making s’mores and doing some team-building,” he said. “I just want to get something done.”
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2015, 11:18:29 PM »
Field's been on the WAG since it formed.  Ask him how much has been accomplished since its formation...maybe there is something to understanding the rest of the WAG members that's been missing.  I spoke with Francine for roughly 6 hours over the last month, and there is no doubt she will be an asset in helping get things done.
I agree, with a larger group, it will be more difficult.  But I won't go in with a defeatist attitude, resigned to the fact that we'll never get anything done.  If the process didn't work in the past, don't you think a different approach could be beneficial?  I personally agree with the meeting being closed: it will give a chance to set the stage for work, without the public influencing the actions of some WAG members.
Call it a Kumbayah meeting if you want; I'd say it's trying to fix what's broken, instead of expecting a different result out of the same broken system.
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2015, 06:32:19 AM »
The group is an attempt at being democratic (small d) in solving the problem. Unfortunately I see little getting done when HSUS, the group that has done everything under the sun to stop any kind of wolf hunting in a state like Michigan, where the recovery goals were long ago met, is on the board. The Sierra Club is the icing on the cake.

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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2015, 06:41:21 AM »
 :yeah:

Real progress can only be made with people interested in managing wolves. Protection does not equal management.
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2015, 04:52:45 PM »
Thanks or keeping is updated. fight like hell for us

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9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2015, 06:19:50 PM »
OMG.  What a crock of crap.  Half of these individuals don't pay diddly for wildlife conservation..


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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2015, 05:56:40 AM »
Unholy Alliances: The danger of alignment with environmental and anti hunting groups:

http://idahoforwildlife.com/index.php/idfg-wildlife-summit#Unholy%20Alliances

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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2015, 09:19:46 AM »
What process would need to be undertaken to get the representation of a specific organization removed from the WAG?
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2015, 01:38:21 PM »
Unholy Alliances: The danger of alignment with environmental and anti hunting groups:

http://idahoforwildlife.com/index.php/idfg-wildlife-summit#Unholy%20Alliances

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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2015, 06:01:35 AM »
There could be a way that we could speed up wolf recovery, but it would take a commitment from a few people. What if we were to put together a few teams of people to document/confirm wolf packs in WA.. these people would only document/confirm in their area of WA. 

People report wolves here on W-H, and if we advertised that we would like any wolf sightings reported to this site and then if we had people in those areas who followed up on these different sightings with trail cameras etc., and reported to the county commissioners, maybe then we could force WDFW to confirm wolf packs earlier, instead of waiting for livestock predation to confirm?
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2015, 06:07:22 AM »
What process would need to be undertaken to get the representation of a specific organization removed from the WAG?

Government department heads and employees (through their superiors), answer to elected officials. When you see something that doesn't seem right, contact your state senators and representatives.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/
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Re: 9 new members appointed to WDFW Wolf Advisory Group
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2015, 09:56:36 PM »
What process would need to be undertaken to get the representation of a specific organization removed from the WAG?

Government department heads and employees (through their superiors), answer to elected officials. When you see something that doesn't seem right, contact your state senators and representatives.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/

Pianoman, the reference you gave doesn't apply to the WAG, as no members are dept heads or employees; it's all volunteer.  But that's why I asked the same question during our first meeting: in case there is someone there to intentionally be a 'barrier" to progress or consensus.  The result was that we will work off of "majority consensus", meaning if one or two folks stand in the way, the decision can be made.  But if you find a way to get someone removed, let me know...
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