Ruby Creek Wolf Transfered to Wolf Haven

[Buckhunter82]

To clarify. Im speaking hypothetically of the politics and laws.

[villageidiot]

 

M_ray

We understand theres a lot of hunters and a great people in general on the west side. The problem is that you live in a sewer and its over flowing across the entire state. We're knee deep in it. When we kick it back to where it came from, its nothing personal. Consider it friendly fire.

 

[M_ray]

M_ray

We understand theres a lot of hunters and a great people in general on the west side. The problem is that you live in a sewer and its over flowing across the entire state. We're knee deep in it. When we kick it back to where it came from, its nothing personal. Consider it friendly fire.

 

Wow thanks for pointing out the obvious .... Totally justify's hypocricy 

[mountainman]

M_ray

We understand theres a lot of hunters and a great people in general on the west side. The problem is that you live in a sewer and its over flowing across the entire state. We're knee deep in it. When we kick it back to where it came from, its nothing personal. Consider it friendly fire.

[M_ray]

Wolfbait, copy and paste all of that does nothing but prove my point and does nothing but make you look like your more interested in an argument and stirring of the pot??? Hard to hear your original message when you spend more time arguing on a post than you do backing up your original point!

And guys can say it's not directed at the hunters of the west side all they want but making the comment in the first place is a$$inine and hypocritical for the reasons I previously stated. Like I said doesn't help when trying to gain our support to back your efforts on that side of the state when the next word is going to be place them in our backyard??? I'm sure we can find liberal bunny huggers in Spokane too but we don't say "Plant them in Spokane"  Its a double standard to say the least and really not that hard to understand.  There are 100 other guys thinking the same thing in fact my PM box is overflowing at the moment with PM's from people saying that they wont post on any of these wolf threads anymore cause it turns into an argument ... If you want more backing you should be finding common ground rather than discrediting your point by arguing a silly comment that serves no purpose. 

Since you are so dead set against moving wolves to the west side maybe you would be interested in pushing WDFW into confirming some of the packs that are already there?

I think what most people (hunters, farmers, ranchers, rural folks etc.) want is wolf management/control, so far we haven't seen any. All we have seen is WDFW dragging wolf delisting out by refusing to confirm wolf packs/BP's. They have lied about wolf predation on livestock, and if they are lying about predation on livestock they sure aren't going to acknowledge the impact on the game herds, which we are seeing.

Maybe if WDFW moves a few BP's to the west side and then monitored them until they reached the quota, we could delist and any wolves that multiplied beyond the management level could then be euthanized or spayed and given to wolf haven. Of course you would still have the wolves that WDFW refuse to confirm in the beginning.

I'm trying to work with you here M_ray. Calm Down.

 "Like I said doesn't help when trying to gain our support to back your efforts on that side of the state when the next word is going to be place them in our backyard?"

I always thought we were all on the same side, I didn't realize we had a west side team and an east side team. Would seem to me, we would get more traction if your side joined our side and we had just one team? How big is your team?

Too bad we can't all be on the same team since the wolves will affect everyone.

If you want us to be on the same team don't create the divide in the first place by saying place them in Seattle! Now all of you are trying to justify why you have made the or supported the absurd comment in the first place.

Look like I said we can easily go walk down the streets of Spokane and find liberal do gooders that love wolves too but we don't say " move them to Spokane" IMO we don't want them any where and we want to try and stop the bleeding where it's at. Saying we want them anywhere out of spite is counter productive and a slap in the face to all these great people and hunters of the west side so why go there in the first place?

[wolfbait]

Wolfbait, copy and paste all of that does nothing but prove my point and does nothing but make you look like your more interested in an argument and stirring of the pot??? Hard to hear your original message when you spend more time arguing on a post than you do backing up your original point!

And guys can say it's not directed at the hunters of the west side all they want but making the comment in the first place is a$$inine and hypocritical for the reasons I previously stated. Like I said doesn't help when trying to gain our support to back your efforts on that side of the state when the next word is going to be place them in our backyard??? I'm sure we can find liberal bunny huggers in Spokane too but we don't say "Plant them in Spokane"  Its a double standard to say the least and really not that hard to understand.  There are 100 other guys thinking the same thing in fact my PM box is overflowing at the moment with PM's from people saying that they wont post on any of these wolf threads anymore cause it turns into an argument ... If you want more backing you should be finding common ground rather than discrediting your point by arguing a silly comment that serves no purpose. 

Since you are so dead set against moving wolves to the west side maybe you would be interested in pushing WDFW into confirming some of the packs that are already there?

I think what most people (hunters, farmers, ranchers, rural folks etc.) want is wolf management/control, so far we haven't seen any. All we have seen is WDFW dragging wolf delisting out by refusing to confirm wolf packs/BP's. They have lied about wolf predation on livestock, and if they are lying about predation on livestock they sure aren't going to acknowledge the impact on the game herds, which we are seeing.

Maybe if WDFW moves a few BP's to the west side and then monitored them until they reached the quota, we could delist and any wolves that multiplied beyond the management level could then be euthanized or spayed and given to wolf haven. Of course you would still have the wolves that WDFW refuse to confirm in the beginning.

I'm trying to work with you here M_ray. Calm Down.

 "Like I said doesn't help when trying to gain our support to back your efforts on that side of the state when the next word is going to be place them in our backyard?"

I always thought we were all on the same side, I didn't realize we had a west side team and an east side team. Would seem to me, we would get more traction if your side joined our side and we had just one team? How big is your team?

Too bad we can't all be on the same team since the wolves will affect everyone.

If you want us to be on the same team don't create the divide in the first place by saying place them in Seattle! Now all of you are trying to justify why you have made the or supported the absurd comment in the first place.

Look like I said we can easily go walk down the streets of Spokane and find liberal do gooders that love wolves too but we don't say " move them to Spokane" IMO we don't want them any where and we want to try and stop the bleeding where it's at. Saying we want them anywhere out of spite is counter productive and a slap in the face to all these great people and hunters of the west side so why go there in the first place?

Sure thing M_ray, whatever you say.

[M_ray]

Yeah I really didn't think you would have anything intelligent to say after that! Lol

[wolfbait]

Once again you guys can't get through one wolf post without the mention of moving wolves to Seattle, the Wet Side blah blah blah  and you wonder why a lot of your words go unnoticed or without much merit anymore? I have to say it on every wolf post .... I have yet to see a west side hunter say that they were in favor of wolves being re-introduced , translocated , or relocated anywhere in Wa East or west!!! But you guys won't be happy until every last hunter in this state suffers your same misery! Its an absurd comment and soon people are going to just quit reading these posts because of it ... I know I for one am already tired of it 😬

I'm over here on the west side. I say bring them on over, it's happening slowly but surely right now so why not speed it up? Help out with the hoof rot, maybe thin out a few lions, and add to the number of confirmed breeding pairs. Who knows maybe the wolves would get managed correctly after all.

Three BPs would be about right, then we could delist in perhaps two years instead of whenever the environmentalist need some suing $$$.

[wolfbait]

Yeah I really didn't think you would have anything intelligent to say after that! Lol

Well you are the smart one here, you proved it over and over agin.

[jasnt]

What really gets me is how anyone could possibly think they won't get there any way? There are already wolves on the west side. They will be in every county in wa.  How anyone could think they won't is fooling them selves. Wolves are very good at staying alive, they are smart and work as a team to better the pack and speed growth. Once the pack gets large enough more and more pups disperse. If you were a wolf where would you rather be? In the eastern side of the state where game numbers are lower or in the west with huge herds of hoof rotting elk, tons of cover to hide and not so much compatition. No body "here" wanted wolves, they have been forced on us. We don't want to speed up the spred of this "disease" we want to start managing it.  Laws in place are forcing the spred with out managing it. No one would even have to bring up moving them if the wolves already there would be confirmed

[wolfbait]

I think it's a smart idea, maybe if it looked like WDFW were going to be forced into releasing some wolves on the west side with a paper trail, they would try a little harder to confirm some wolf packs that are already there.

[Curly]

Why the west side? Wolves aren't needed on the west side for delisting to happen according to the wolf plan.

[wolfbait]

Why the west side? Wolves aren't needed on the west side for delisting to happen according to the wolf plan.

Wolves must be geographically spread so there are breeding pairs in Eastern Washington, north-central Washington and a big region that includes the southern Cascades and Western Washington.

Fish and Wildlife estimates that at the end of 2013, there were at least 52 wolves in 13 packs roaming Eastern Washington.

[Curly]

Why the west side? Wolves aren't needed on the west side for delisting to happen according to the wolf plan.

Wolves must be geographically spread so there are breeding pairs in Eastern Washington, north-central Washington and a big region that includes the southern Cascades and Western Washington.

Fish and Wildlife estimates that at the end of 2013, there were at least 52 wolves in 13 packs roaming Eastern Washington.

Yep.  And there doesn't need to be any wolves in King, Snohomish or any other counties up in NW Washington since the wolves in Teanaway count toward that zone up there.

We just need wolves to be confirmed south of I90 to count toward the zone they call southern cascades and western Washington.  So if the teanaway pack would spread out to the south to little Naches or Taneum or other eastern Washington gmu's, that would count toward that southern cascades and western Washington wolf zone.

 I think they should have named the zone different cuz I think there could be confusion. There doesn't need to be any wolves on the west side of the state for delisting. .......people talk about western Washington needing wolves and I'm not sure they are talking the west side of the state or the wolf zone with western Washington in the name.  Just trying to clarify.

[jasnt]

 I think they should have named the zone different cuz I think there could be confusion. There doesn't need to be any wolves on the west side of the state for delisting. .......people talk about western Washington needing wolves and I'm not sure they are talking the west side of the state or the wolf zone with western Washington in the name.  Just trying to clarify.

Yes I agree