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legal gun ownership question
« on: February 19, 2015, 08:10:41 AM »
I had a felony out of the state of california that i had expunged a few years back and now have a couple guns and have had a couple people say i am legal to have them and others who say i am not. Anyone know for sure on here ? Lookin for cops or someone who really knows.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 08:15:34 AM »
From other discussions ive read on here you need your rights to be reinstated and likley need an attorney. Id put the guns in some one elses safe and go talk to an attorney.  :twocents:
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 08:22:00 AM »
From other discussions ive read on here you need your rights to be reinstated and likley need an attorney. Id put the guns in some one elses safe and go talk to an attorney.  :twocents:
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 08:43:37 AM »
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 08:51:17 AM »
You need to get a "Certificate of Relief" You might have to have it done through the court where your charges were handled. I know several people who have recieved them, most with out a lawyer. I'll ask them how they went about it.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 08:59:14 AM »
They know now. I wouldn't have posted this on a public forum. Good luck.  :dunno:
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 09:01:46 AM »
It may be a state by state thing, you should check with an attorney for sure.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 09:04:41 AM »
When you get it resolved, you might carry a copy of your restoration in your vehicle or with you when hunting/shooting.  Often times computer data bases do not show restorations...

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 09:08:50 AM »
They know now. I wouldn't have posted this on a public forum. Good luck.  :dunno:

I don't know if "they" know now or not, but I'd agree, don't post this on a public forum. IF you are wrong, and I think you may be regarding the legality of you currently in possesion, then you are exposing yourself as currently breaking the law. I'd contact a lawyer but not until you delete your post.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 09:25:28 AM »
I had a felony out of the state of california that i had expunged a few years back and now have a couple guns and have had a couple people say i am legal to have them and others who say i am not. Anyone know for sure on here ? Lookin for cops or someone who really knows.
I would definitely consult a lawyer, especially since it involves out of state charges. The best thing to do is to actually get firearm rights restored, in some states getting the conviction expunged does that, in others it doesn't.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 01:24:21 PM »
I'd call an attorney in that jurisdiction to handle getting your rights restored for you. You might not even have to go in person. I know a couple people that have had their gun rights restored here in Washington and they both said it was easy, just a matter of doing the paper work and following directions.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 01:38:56 PM »
Send Popeshawnpaul a PM and ask him, or maybe he will chime in here, I'll forward him the link.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 04:31:54 PM »
You more than likely admitted to a crime publicly.  CA law and what you did there with respect to expungment will dictate.  If you had an attorney for the expungment,  I'd call them first as they will know their jurisdiction best. 

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 05:06:33 PM »
You more than likely admitted to a crime publicly.  CA law and what you did there with respect to expungment will dictate.  If you had an attorney for the expungment,  I'd call them first as they will know their jurisdiction best.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 06:15:19 PM »
Who is Seansfire? This forum provides anonymity. You're probably not going to get in trouble for posting what you did, but you should seek legal advice immediately.  Because of I-594 you can't loan/stash your firearms either, correct?  :dunno:

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 07:34:41 PM »
You might think it's anonymous, you'd be surprised who knows you by what/where/who and what you talk about and show in posts.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 07:54:48 PM »
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 07:59:43 PM »
If you bought your guns from a store, then I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 08:25:14 PM »
If you bought your guns from a store, then I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 09:35:52 PM »
Can you vote?
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 09:42:49 PM »
You more than likely admitted to a crime publicly.  CA law and what you did there with respect to expungment will dictate.  If you had an attorney for the expungment,  I'd call them first as they will know their jurisdiction best.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 09:43:48 PM »
Who is Seansfire? This forum provides anonymity. You're probably not going to get in trouble for posting what you did, but you should seek legal advice immediately.  Because of I-594 you can't loan/stash your firearms either, correct?  :dunno:
You could put them in your parents, or brother/sisters safe for "safe keeping" till you sort things out.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 09:46:39 PM »
I had a felony out of the state of california that i had expunged a few years back and now have a couple guns and have had a couple people say i am legal to have them and others who say i am not. Anyone know for sure on here ? Lookin for cops or someone who really knows.
Certainly wouldn't hurt to get a lawyers advice. Expungement not sure, I think since an Expungement is kind of like it never happened, almost like a pardon, but never know. I know, and depending on which state it was from you should be legal there although Kalifornia who knows :chuckle:. Look on the net by state and see what they do as for honoring such things. As just a personal opinon, but do know something on these I'd say ya your ok, but still.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2015, 09:51:06 PM »
If you bought your guns from a store, then I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2015, 09:53:34 PM »
If you have lost your firearms rights by Superior Court order due to a felony conviction and do not have a superior court order reinstating your gun rights, you would be wise not to possess a gun as it is a new felony. This is the same whether you were convicted as a juvenile or adult.

I don't know your specific situation, but also keep in mind that even having your record sealed does not reinstate your gun rights -  in fact in can make it even more of a pain to get them reinstated since the cause # will be sealed. Washington now has a new statute relate to  the administrative sealing of juvenile cases and I'm convinced they didn't think that one through, but that's a whole different rabbit trail.

I suggest you contact an attorney to go over the specifics of your situation.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2015, 09:59:38 PM »
Who is Seansfire? This forum provides anonymity. You're probably not going to get in trouble for posting what you did, but you should seek legal advice immediately.  Because of I-594 you can't loan/stash your firearms either, correct?  :dunno:

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2015, 10:50:00 PM »
Who is Seansfire? This forum provides anonymity. You're probably not going to get in trouble for posting what you did, but you should seek legal advice immediately.  Because of I-594 you can't loan/stash your firearms either, correct?  :dunno:

If you think that this forum provides anonymity in the event of criminal investigations I've got some property for sale I think you would be interested in.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2015, 10:55:00 PM »
Nothing typed on to ANY forum, email, txt or website is anonymous... And will likely be accessible to some one forever.

When you think about that it should alter they way you say things online.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2015, 01:53:32 AM »
It wouldn't be very difficult for LE to find out any one of our identity if they wanted to.  All it takes is a warrant/subpoena for user info from the site and they have your email address which can then be traced back to each person.  That's all assuming that they want to pursue it however.  Either way the best bet is to talk to a lawyer and find out for sure.  :tup:

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2015, 07:53:30 AM »
Go try to buy a gun in store and see if you pass the background check  :chuckle: that'll tell ya.

Silverslinger is right, that's how it works for WA crimes anyways.  Having your record expunged does not restore your rights, you have to make action to get them restored.

Jackelope - they switched that law a few years back, felons can vote now.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2015, 09:03:21 AM »
 :) I put a post on this site a few years ago about a sensitive subject, not illegal, just sensitive.

Within 24 hours I got a call from a  local law enforcement agency and a Federal agency asking that I have the post deleted. The calls were both to my work phone. I did as they asked.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2015, 09:28:58 AM »
Probably explains why I haven't drawn any permits since the new system started up.  I started bashing  a certain person at wdfw on this board for the permit system he stuck us with.  Haven't drawn a thing since then. :o
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2015, 03:47:49 PM »
Funny Curly... Ive doen the same thing but i dont send them my extra $ any more.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2015, 03:52:47 PM »
It may also explain why the draw takes so long sometimes.  They probably have a list of people that they have to make sure they don't draw anything.  :chuckle:   ;)
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2015, 03:56:20 PM »
Go try to buy a gun in store and see if you pass the background check  :chuckle: that'll tell ya.

Silverslinger is right, that's how it works for WA crimes anyways.  Having your record expunged does not restore your rights, you have to make action to get them restored.

Jackelope - they switched that law a few years back, felons can vote now.

Do it in King Co. and there's a 75% chance nothing will happen to you anyway! Truth. But, don't do that.  :bdid:
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2015, 05:49:46 PM »
Yes i am able to vote now since it was expunged and the link that was posted for expungement and firearm rights is the one i used. I looked everywhere i can think of and cant find any trace of criminal record of any kind. I would like to see the whole thread deleted just in case of any issues. I appreciate those of you who replied with good advice
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2015, 05:54:46 PM »
No I think expungement does because he didn't lose his rights in Washington only in Kalifornia. His expungement in California makes it as it never happened. Like I said check that link out I posted. If I'm wrong then he would need to go back to Kalifornia and get his rights back there. But beleive the expungement it sufficient. In washington he doesn't have to do anything because it didn't happen here. federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2015, 06:38:33 PM »
I'm not a lawyer,but I think your fine. When buying a gun,question 11c asks have you ever been convicted of a felony,in that same box it says see exceptions,there it says if your received a pardon,expungment or set aside you can answer NO. If you are sure it was expunged I would think your ok. I had something on my record that was set aside 30yrs ago,I had no problem getting a Wa CPL and a Utah CWP.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2015, 06:39:45 PM »
"federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch."

    this is NOT correct, any felony in any state, or a Domestic violence you lose all gun rights in all states. you better re-research.
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that said I think this guy is fine but should ask a lawyer.
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2015, 07:03:13 PM »
I'm not a lawyer,but I think your fine. When buying a gun,question 11c asks have you ever been convicted of a felony,in that same box it says see exceptions,there it says if your received a pardon,expungment or set aside you can answer NO. If you are sure it was expunged I would think your ok. I had something on my record that was set aside 30yrs ago,I had no problem getting a Wa CPL and a Utah CWP.
cpl has nothing to do If you can own or not.

"federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch."

    this is NOT correct, any felony in any state, or a Domestic violence you lose all gun rights in all states. you better re-research.
Carl

that said I think this guy is fine but should ask a lawyer.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2015, 07:10:48 PM »
I'm not a lawyer,but I think your fine. When buying a gun,question 11c asks have you ever been convicted of a felony,in that same box it says see exceptions,there it says if your received a pardon,expungment or set aside you can answer NO. If you are sure it was expunged I would think your ok. I had something on my record that was set aside 30yrs ago,I had no problem getting a Wa CPL and a Utah CWP.
col has nothing to do If you can own or not.

"federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch."

    this is NOT correct, any felony in any state, or a Domestic violence you lose all gun rights in all states. you better re-research.
Carl

that said I think this guy is fine but should ask a lawyer.

:yeah:

What's col? Here's what I know about it,Wa state says I can have a CPL! FBI and ATF say I can buy a gun. Where's the problem?

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2015, 07:21:52 PM »
If you relinquish your U.S. Citizenship and get a job with the Sinaloa Federation, you can come down to my new home state of Arizona and pay cash for a stack of AK-47s  :dunno:

18 USC 922 had been made into a bunch of :bs:  :twocents:

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2015, 07:23:17 PM »
I'm not a lawyer,but I think your fine. When buying a gun,question 11c asks have you ever been convicted of a felony,in that same box it says see exceptions,there it says if your received a pardon,expungment or set aside you can answer NO. If you are sure it was expunged I would think your ok. I had something on my record that was set aside 30yrs ago,I had no problem getting a Wa CPL and a Utah CWP.
col has nothing to do If you can own or not.

"federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch."

    this is NOT correct, any felony in any state, or a Domestic violence you lose all gun rights in all states. you better re-research.
Carl

that said I think this guy is fine but should ask a lawyer.

:yeah:

What's col? Here's what I know about it,Wa state says I can have a CPL! FBI and ATF say I can buy a gun. Where's the problem?
cpl..correction made
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2015, 07:32:16 PM »
I'm not a lawyer,but I think your fine. When buying a gun,question 11c asks have you ever been convicted of a felony,in that same box it says see exceptions,there it says if your received a pardon,expungment or set aside you can answer NO. If you are sure it was expunged I would think your ok. I had something on my record that was set aside 30yrs ago,I had no problem getting a Wa CPL and a Utah CWP.
col has nothing to do If you can own or not.

"federal only comes in play if it was a federal charge I know because I've done my reasearch."

    this is NOT correct, any felony in any state, or a Domestic violence you lose all gun rights in all states. you better re-research.
Carl

that said I think this guy is fine but should ask a lawyer.

:yeah:

What's col? Here's what I know about it,Wa state says I can have a CPL! FBI and ATF say I can buy a gun. Where's the problem?
cpl..correction made

Why wouldn't a CPL have anything to do with it. When you apply for a CPL they ask if you've been convicted,if you lie on that you do get a visit from a deputy and probably hauled off. They do a NICS check before issue. If your a felon you can't possess or own a gun in Wa. If the OP is sure he has a expungment I'm sure he's fine,Wa state has no way to find out. I think the only thing the guy or myself can never do is become a LEO.

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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2015, 07:38:09 PM »
Cpl allows you to carry concealed, if you are legal to own a firearm. It does not allow you to carry a firearm if prohibited
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Re: legal gun ownership question
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2015, 08:14:11 PM »
Who is Seansfire? This forum provides anonymity. You're probably not going to get in trouble for posting what you did, but you should seek legal advice immediately.  Because of I-594 you can't loan/stash your firearms either, correct?  :dunno:

If you think that this forum provides anonymity in the event of criminal investigations I've got some property for sale I think you would be interested in.
How can the Gov't know who is who when we're allowed to use fake names? Sure they can probably trace IP addresses and if you wanted you could use a public computer or open WiFi to skirt that.  Hell I'm typing this via my mobile phone.  Can they trace this? I don't know and don't care.  I'm full blown law abiding with nothing to hide.  That's why I used my real name when I signed up.  You don't find me trolling around being Mr. Negative, insulting others, or reducing the integrity of this forum.  But Silverslinger - you quickly jumped out and insulted my intelligence.  You did provide quality feedback to the OP which is what this forum is about, but why the sny remark?  Is it because your identity is hidden? Anonymity is killing online social spheres, let's not degrade this forum please.

How can the Gov't know who is who when we're allowed to use fake names? There are a number of different ways to do this. This would fall into the realm of relatively simple things that LE ccan determine. Whether LE, hackers, government, or other techie types of people, yours or my  inability to understand exactly how they can do it does nothing to impact the fact that they can.


Sure they can probably trace IP addresses and if you wanted you could use a public computer or open WiFi to skirt that.  Hell I'm typing this via my mobile phone.  Can they trace this? Short answer, with a warrant yes.

I don't know and don't care.  I'm full blown law abiding with nothing to hide. That's why I used my real name when I signed up.  I do know and am also unconcerned. That is great that you're law abiding, We have something in common then on both fronts. I'm also not concerned  because I am also law abiding. However, my being concerned or not being concerned with whether or not LE can determine my identity has little bearing on their ability to do so.

You don't find me trolling around being Mr. Negative, insulting others, or reducing the integrity of this forum.  But Silverslinger - you quickly jumped out and insulted my intelligence. I genuinely don't feel as though I was trolling or being "Mr. negative." I was also not reducing the integrity of the forum. In fact, I would respectfully argue that spreading blatantly and obviously false information such as "This forum provides anonymity" does more to erode the integrity/accuracy of this forum than my calling BS on it. It has nothing to do with intelligence. You could have an astronomical IQ for all I know, but what you posted couldn't be further from the truth. I don't mean that to be disrespectful, I mean it to be honest because it is the truth.

You did provide quality feedback to the OP which is what this forum is about, but why the sny remark?  Is it because your identity is hidden? Anonymity is killing online social spheres, let's not degrade this forum please. It doesn't take much reading of my post history and a little google work to figure out who I am.Anonymity does indeed often negatively impact forums and social media because people can post/repost whatever they want and not have to answer for the accuracy of it. Unfortunately, many people fail to do their own research  and instead choose to take the word of strangers from forums such as this one. Acting on information that a person didn't realize was false does not absolve them of responsibility for their actions. Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to committing crimes or awareness of laws. That being said, we can all help situations like that be avoided by calling obviously incorrect information what it is... incorrect.
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