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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2015, 08:53:32 AM »
Technically speaking, Washington does not call it a governors tag. It is just called an auction tag. Why they sell it in Salt Lake City, I have no idea. I assume because it is sold at the Western hunting and conservation expo. It is not the Utah hunting expo.

All the auction tags are spread out to different groups to sell. I think the mule deer foundation is the group that gets to auction the mule deer tag and SLC is their national convention, the tag probably brings more there than it would at any event in WA.

Yup, this is about raising the most dollars - I'm guessing they figure that the biggest bidders will be there and it will raise more cash than a local banquet.  If you look at the auction list, some of the best tags from every state in the west are on there.  It's not just Utah. 

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Washington east side deer
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2015, 10:26:04 AM »
September 1-30 is not a very good season to be paying big money to hunt mule deer. If they only want to give a one month season, why not November 1-30? I'm surprised someone would pay that much for a September hunt. I wonder which unit they'll be hunting? Maybe Desert?
« Last Edit: February 22, 2015, 10:32:21 AM by bobcat »

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 10:31:30 AM »
ts a tax deductible expense

Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct.  :twocents:

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 11:10:05 AM »
ts a tax deductible expense

Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct.  :twocents:

I've always wondered about that.  Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS?  How do you determine what is FMV?

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 11:23:51 AM »
Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2015, 12:00:24 PM »
ts a tax deductible expense

Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct.  :twocents:

I've always wondered about that.  Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS?  How do you determine what is FMV?
That is the question. If you pay more than FMV for an auction item the excess could be considered a contribution. However, since the winner usually ends up paying just a bit more than the next highest bidder,  you would have a hard time proving that you paid in excess of FMV.  The IRS is not going to tell someone the FMV of an Eastern Washington tag but they make you prove what you claimed it to be.
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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2015, 12:06:00 PM »
And I hated paying the non-res price for deer this past year.  :chuckle: 

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2015, 02:13:20 PM »
Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT

There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.

The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".

ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used.  Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used.  A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2015, 02:49:22 PM »

Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT

There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.

The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".

ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used.  Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used.  A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.

just my 2˘.

The guy who holds that tag can hunt with any legal modern firearm, bow or muzzleloader....regardless of when he is hunting in the legal season...9/1-12/31. It's like there's a typo in the auction flyer  info. That tag that sold is the Eastside mule deer auction tag as Mtnmuley said.
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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2015, 03:54:32 PM »

Kramer - I don't know what info you've been told or read, but the eastside auction tag that was sold is for Sept 1 - Dec 31 with any weapon. FACT

There is a HUGE difference between any LEGAL weapon and ANY weapon.

The picture that Kramer posed stated "Any legal weapon".

ANY weapon is exactly that......any weapon may be used.  Any LEGAL weapon means that any weapon legal for that season and that tag may be used.  A modern firearm would NOT be a legal weapon for a muzzleloader season/tag.

just my 2˘.

The guy who holds that tag can hunt with any legal modern firearm, bow or muzzleloader....regardless of when he is hunting in the legal season...9/1-12/31. It's like there's a typo in the auction flyer  info. That tag that sold is the Eastside mule deer auction tag as Mtnmuley said.

+1, clearly the usual bidders for that tag knew exactly what the actual specifics were, they are not going to bid that high for a Sept archery deer hunt only. :chuckle:

 The wording for that tag at that auction has not changed in a few years, it's said the same thing since at least 2012.
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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 07:14:52 PM »
ts a tax deductible expense

Be careful here. I believe you are only partially correct.  :twocents:

I've always wondered about that.  Is there a PLR or something on the subject from the IRS?  How do you determine what is FMV?
That is the question. If you pay more than FMV for an auction item the excess could be considered a contribution. However, since the winner usually ends up paying just a bit more than the next highest bidder,  you would have a hard time proving that you paid in excess of FMV.  The IRS is not going to tell someone the FMV of an Eastern Washington tag but they make you prove what you claimed it to be.

I would think FMV is whatever the market will bear. In other words, whatever the highest bid is.
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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2015, 07:16:04 PM »
I don't doubt that it happened, the printed page and the website back it up.  What I can't believe is that MDF and WDFW wouldn't have fixed that over the last few years.  That's terrible.  If I was sitting there, I wouldn't drop $30K banking on the fact that it's a typo, especially if the reps repeat the bad info.  A mistake like that just costs them (us) bidders and $$. 

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2015, 07:24:14 PM »
LOL, sorry I left out the "legal" in my statement. Igor, what's the HUGE difference that your speaking of?

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2015, 07:42:49 PM »
With that tag you can hunt with a rifle in late November and all of December when nobody else is hunting. That's the advantage, being able to hunt when there is no other hunting season going on.

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Re: Washington east side deer
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2015, 08:11:14 PM »
So what tag did you get Kramer?
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