Survey?

[Blackjaw]

I fill mine out every year for fear if I don't they assume I hunted and limited every day of the season and will therefore over estimate the harvest. I don't keep an exact count, but I have a pretty reasonable guess and try to under estimate if anything.

[Tealer]

I turned mine in just for you guys.


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[hdshot]

I'm dead serious. I'm positive that's the case h2ofowlr as well.


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There are tons of clubs who have corn ponds and my understanding is they have to report all the game taken.  Most of the numbers we see of ducks and geese in the pamphlet taken have to be mostly the reports from the outfitters. Also I'm sure the refuges like Burbank who make hunters turn in the reports is passed on to the state.  On my survey it says, even if your game was checked in the field or reported in another way, we would still appreciate your participation.  Sounds like numbers could be getting double dipped.  So in other words could care less if you turn it in.   

Also remember the days of 3 mallards, 1 hen mallard, and 3 geese limits with more birds and shorter seasons to boot?         

[hdshot]

We had a discussion about WDFW surveys at the Archery club some time back. Most people underestimate time in the feild and  overestimate sucess. That equils bad stuff for season setting.

If your drivign throught the woods, or picking mushrooms  w/ a gun would you have shot a coyote or a grouse? If the answer is Yes that that day also counts as hunting.... If im taking a drive to a parent or friends house have my bow or rifle in the rig and pass thorough huntable property to get there are you hunting? If you live on huntable property and you look out the window while drinking your morning cup of Joe and whould shoot a coyote/deer/elk/bear/grouse/pheasant/ rabbit, are you hunting?

Any scenario the hunter is looking and ready to bag an animal would be hunting.  It doesn't ask how hard the hunter worked or even walked.  Doesn't even want to know what your main activity was that day.  Just incase scenario to bring your gun or bow while chopping firewood as example, you are hunting and game warden could even check you. 

[Tealer]

I'm dead serious. I'm positive that's the case h2ofowlr as well.


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There are tons of clubs who have corn ponds and my understanding is they have to report all the game taken.  Most of the numbers we see of ducks and geese in the pamphlet taken have to be mostly the reports from the outfitters. Also I'm sure the refuges like Burbank who make hunters turn in the reports is passed on to the state.  On my survey it says, even if your game was checked in the field or reported in another way, we would still appreciate your participation.  Sounds like numbers could be getting double dipped.  So in other words could care less if you turn it in.   

Also remember the days of 3 mallards, 1 hen mallard, and 3 geese limits with more birds and shorter seasons to boot?         

Neither of the clubs i hunt/run have to turn in records. I'm young enough still that I have only ever seen 7 bird limits.

I hunted mostly OR, that's where I guide. I hunted all but 12 days of the season, I think.


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[Tealer]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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[hdshot]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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You guide that's cool and have been on guided hunts myself, but you have absolutely no right or understanding to tell us you are going to shorten our seasons.  Of all people you should know states will cater to get the out of state money.   

Hunting success numbers gives a good indication on the health of the population of game.  Also the sell of hunting licenses is another good indication as well, no game no selling. 

[Special T]

HD I think  what he is saying is that His  days in the feild vs ducks harvested will complelty skew the results... as such he doenst want to send them in...

Most of the rest of us have a more "Normal" days in the feild vs birds harvested ratio...

I know One of my old professors Roger Renolds that taught at CWU had something like a 30 year hunter per bird day average of 5... All on public land All half day hunts... Not to bad when you figure that there were a lot of years with a 3-4 bird limit. 

[Tealer]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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You guide that's cool and have been on guided hunts myself, but you have absolutely no right or understanding to tell us you are going to shorten our seasons.  Of all people you should know states will cater to get the out of state money.   

Hunting success numbers gives a good indication on the health of the population of game.  Also the sell of hunting licenses is another good indication as well, no game no selling.

I think you missed the point of my post. They use these surveys to help determine effort and harvest rates. Guys that hunt as many days as I do skew the results. I hunted or scouted 95 days this year. Not including 3rd period in Oregon and September hunts. I want longer seasons so I usually round file all those surveys. If a bunch of guys report high activity and harvest we could see 60 day seasons and 5 bird limits.


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[h2ofowlr]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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You guide that's cool and have been on guided hunts myself, but you have absolutely no right or understanding to tell us you are going to shorten our seasons.  Of all people you should know states will cater to get the out of state money.   

Hunting success numbers gives a good indication on the health of the population of game.  Also the sell of hunting licenses is another good indication as well, no game no selling.

I think you missed the point of my post. They use these surveys to help determine effort and harvest rates. Guys that hunt as many days as I do skew the results. I hunted or scouted 95 days this year. Not including 3rd period in Oregon and September hunts. I want longer seasons so I usually round file all those surveys. If a bunch of guys report high activity and harvest we could see 60 day seasons and 5 bird limits.


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   Or visit from USFWS special agents.

[johnsc6]

I'm dead serious. I'm positive that's the case h2ofowlr as well.


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thats funny right there

[Tealer]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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You guide that's cool and have been on guided hunts myself, but you have absolutely no right or understanding to tell us you are going to shorten our seasons.  Of all people you should know states will cater to get the out of state money.   

Hunting success numbers gives a good indication on the health of the population of game.  Also the sell of hunting licenses is another good indication as well, no game no selling.

I think you missed the point of my post. They use these surveys to help determine effort and harvest rates. Guys that hunt as many days as I do skew the results. I hunted or scouted 95 days this year. Not including 3rd period in Oregon and September hunts. I want longer seasons so I usually round file all those surveys. If a bunch of guys report high activity and harvest we could see 60 day seasons and 5 bird limits.


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   Or visit from USFWS special agents.

I haven't broken any laws, I would however like to avoid that.


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[hdshot]

As an outfitter I don't report any birds either.


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You guide that's cool and have been on guided hunts myself, but you have absolutely no right or understanding to tell us you are going to shorten our seasons.  Of all people you should know states will cater to get the out of state money.   

Hunting success numbers gives a good indication on the health of the population of game.  Also the sell of hunting licenses is another good indication as well, no game no selling.

I think you missed the point of my post. They use these surveys to help determine effort and harvest rates. Guys that hunt as many days as I do skew the results. I hunted or scouted 95 days this year. Not including 3rd period in Oregon and September hunts. I want longer seasons so I usually round file all those surveys. If a bunch of guys report high activity and harvest we could see 60 day seasons and 5 bird limits.


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Not even close to being right.  Better success only helps keep seasons longer with good limits. It's all about the money and the state is not going to shorten season that could result in less licenses sold unless game populations and poor hunter success shows otherwise.  I don't know who trained you to think but need to look more into and think reality on what is going on which is habitat for wildlife.       

[hdshot]

HD I think  what he is saying is that His  days in the feild vs ducks harvested will complelty skew the results... as such he doenst want to send them in...

Most of the rest of us have a more "Normal" days in the feild vs birds harvested ratio...

I know One of my old professors Roger Renolds that taught at CWU had something like a 30 year hunter per bird day average of 5... All on public land All half day hunts... Not to bad when you figure that there were a lot of years with a 3-4 bird limit. 

Problem with statistics is one person can hunt only one day and get 7 ducks 4 geese and now they have 11 birds per day season.  I'm sure a lot of hunters can show good birds per day average when they come up here from Cali to club hunt a few days.  Ratio is bad to look at because one might hunt 50 days and show 5 birds per day average and the other hunts one day and shows 11 birds per day average.  Then take those two hunters and now they average 8 birds per day.  See how skewed up this is getting now?  The one who hunted one day added 3 birds per day to guy that hunted 50 days.   

[Tbar]

HD I think  what he is saying is that His  days in the feild vs ducks harvested will complelty skew the results... as such he doenst want to send them in...

Most of the rest of us have a more "Normal" days in the feild vs birds harvested ratio...

I know One of my old professors Roger Renolds that taught at CWU had something like a 30 year hunter per bird day average of 5... All on public land All half day hunts... Not to bad when you figure that there were a lot of years with a 3-4 bird limit. 

Problem with statistics is one person can hunt only one day and get 7 ducks 4 geese and now they have 11 birds per day season.  I'm sure a lot of hunters can show good birds per day average when they come up here from Cali to club hunt a few days.  Ratio is bad to look at because one might hunt 50 days and show 5 birds per day average and the other hunts one day and shows 11 birds per day average.  Then take those two hunters and now they average 8 birds per day.  See how skewed up this is getting now?  The one who hunted one day added 3 birds per day to guy that hunted 50 days.

I don't think your math is correct.  I believe the guy who hunted 50 days killed 250 birds (5 per hunter day). The guy that killed 11 in one day would be pooled with the 50 hunter day. That equals 261 in 51 hunter days raising the average from 5 to 5.11.