ATF

[h2ofowlr]

Time to get rid of the ATF and turn suppressors into an across the counter hearing protection devise.

[NW-GSP]

I'm not sure why green tip ammo would be considered cop killer rounds. Almost any .223 or 556 round will penetrate the ballistic vests that cops wear. It was one of the things I was taught while going through Leo training.

[ndcasla]

Just received this information

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150310/nra-forces-obama-to-wave-white-flag-on-proposed-ammo-ban-for-now

http://www.nssfblog.com/atf-to-not-move-forward-with-5-56-m855-ammo-ban-at-this-time/

[GrainfedMuley]

you obviously don't shoot a big enough gun. 300gr rn out of my 338 won't even know the plate was there.

You are right. I do not shoot that big of a gun because there is no elephants in this state. .308 does all the killin I need to do and I never try to kill an animal no more than 300 yards out. I never take a 1/4 mile shot no matter how big the gun is........

[NW-GSP]

as far as armor piercing goes, just about anything that we hunt with will far outperform any "green tip" ammo, that's where things get a little sketchy...

you obviously don't shoot a big enough gun. 300gr rn out of my 338 won't even know the plate was there.





I would disagree. I have personally shot the evil "green tip" ammo completely through a 1/4" steel plate. My soft tip, lead nose, hollow point hunting rounds will not do that. They may make a dent in the steel plate but they will not penetrate that same plate.
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I have punched through 1/4 steel with my 300 win mag. It punched right through and didn't even bend or dimple the surrounding steel.

[timberfaller]

Don't be  it far from over!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/12/atf-raises-new-concerns-about-ar-15-ammo/?intcmp=latestnews

Political agenda's don't die,   they just keep idiots employed!!!

[huntinguy]

you obviously don't shoot a big enough gun. 300gr rn out of my 338 won't even know the plate was there.

You are right. I do not shoot that big of a gun because there is no elephants in this state. .308 does all the killin I need to do and I never try to kill an animal no more than 300 yards out. I never take a 1/4 mile shot no matter how big the gun is........

My hunting load is 210gr. I have taken deer at 20 feet and elk at 250 yards. You would be surprised at how little meat damage the big bullet does. Far Far less than a 270, 243 or a 308 all of which I have taken animals with.

[grundy53]

you obviously don't shoot a big enough gun. 300gr rn out of my 338 won't even know the plate was there.

You are right. I do not shoot that big of a gun because there is no elephants in this state. .308 does all the killin I need to do and I never try to kill an animal no more than 300 yards out. I never take a 1/4 mile shot no matter how big the gun is........

My hunting load is 210gr. I have taken deer at 20 feet and elk at 250 yards. You would be surprised at how little meat damage the big bullet does. Far Far less than a 270, 243 or a 308 all of which I have taken animals with.