Idiot In The Entiat!

[skeeter 20i]

Talk about hitting a fly with a sledge hammer.  Yeah it's critical habitat but he most likely made a poor decision that SNOWBALLED into a costly/embarrassing/horrible situation.  I highly doubt there's going to be huge die off as a result of this damage. I don't know the guy so maybe I'm wrong, but be sensible and get a dozer and get his rig out of there.  Obviously it's already going to be costly, no sense on making absurdly costly by making him use a friggin helicopter that he could possibly have to pay (depending on his  financial situation) on the rest of his life.

Well said.   

I sure hope we get to hear the final outcome of this.

Agreed, help him get his jeep out of there and let him make it right by restoring the ground.  It was a mistake a really dumb one but I don't think it rises to the level of burning the guy at the stake for his sins against the dirt.

[fastdam]

First off, I do not condone what this jack wagon did, and this is going to  



BUT


you all sound like a bunch of 


Its dirt and sage brush, not a meadow of lushes grass being fed on, or the middle of the feel area for deer wintering deer in 2 feet of snow.




Get that thing up that ridge, and have the dumb arse take a shovel, some seeds and take care of the dirt he disturbed.

Rent a dozer and get ot out of there....jeesh......

And you gusy would be suprised what a capable jeep can get through or up 

I 100 percent agree with this post. It's not the huge deal these guys make it out to be. No need to try and ruin his life.

 BS, it's all critacle winter range and the dip sh@ made a conscious decision to ignore that fact and go off the two track. That is completely unacceptable and he should lose his jeep for the habitat restoration.


Looks to me like he made a mistake and it's going to cost him. He's lucky to be alive.  He didn't destroy the hillside. Grass will still grow there and will have zero impact on animals. Zero.   Get a grip. The world isn't gonna stop turning over his mistake. I Ibet not even 1 animal is impacted by that.

 

[Buckmania]

But look at the message it sends, it tells everyone that they can risk their life (Albeit most likely naively) to skate down a canyon and be publicly embarrassed, pay thousands and thousands in fines (BEST CASE SCENARIO) and not know the fate of your new ride for weeks. [INSERT HEAVY SARCASM HERE]

[Jonathan_S]

The vitriol is waist deep on this one    Some useful, some of it is silly in my mind.

The fine should be flat rate in my opinion.  Steep fine.  None of this "whatever it costs to fix the ground..." nonsense.  How do you fix moss, old sagebrush and crumbly rock?

When dealing with this kind of thing, it helps to maintain perspective.  This clown wasn't doing it to scare animals off wintering ground and to tear up the hillside.  When little kids splash around in the shallows and reeds, they aren't doing it because they hate Crappie nests.

Ignorance is the problem here and education (with a fine) is the way to handle it.

Honestly the most shocking thing to me is that incredible confidence in the Jeep. 

[full choke]

I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...

[Jonathan_S]

I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...

I don't have any sympathy either.  I think it was a really dumb series of decisions that are not justifiable.  This guy probably doesn't have much money left for an airlift after buying the most overpriced vehicle in America 

[KFhunter]

The vitriol is waist deep on this one    Some useful, some of it is silly in my mind.

The fine should be flat rate in my opinion.  Steep fine.  None of this "whatever it costs to fix the ground..." nonsense.  How do you fix moss, old sagebrush and crumbly rock?

When dealing with this kind of thing, it helps to maintain perspective.  This clown wasn't doing it to scare animals off wintering ground and to tear up the hillside.  When little kids splash around in the shallows and reeds, they aren't doing it because they hate Crappie nests.

Ignorance is the problem here and education (with a fine) is the way to handle it.

Honestly the most shocking thing to me is that incredible confidence in the Jeep.

 

my biggest concern with the ground would be erosion with those ruts, but the ground is so rocky probably not too big of a concern.


I'd be for him going up there and raking out the ruts and sprinkling grass seed or whatever and paying a fine for driving in an illegal area, but I'm not for making him chopper it out. 

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

I have zero sympathy for the guy. If an airlift is what is required to get him out, so be it. Why should you feel sorry for him and not want to make things worse? He clearly ignored the signs, and drove- off road- into a sensitive area. He is lucky he didn't roll that thing already. What then? Maybe there would have been an expensive rescue mission, maybe a responder gets hurt trying to save his life? Just dumb all around. We hear too much talk these days of the pussification of America. This is a good example. "Poor guy has suffered enough, why ruin his life over this mistake"... Why doesn't he just own up and take care of it no matter the cost? He did it, the taxpayers didn't. He chose to drive down there, he should take the responsibility to remedy the situation- whatever that costs, Airlifts, fines, rehab, etc. I'll bet he won't do that again...

Lets see what the guy does to own up to this mistake before we put him on a cross.  He could be working with the powers that be on a plan to get this thing out in the best possible way for all parties involved and make reparations.  People make mistakes all the time, as have you.  I am sure you were thankful for a little grace when it was given.

[skeeter 20i]

 

I might take it one step further and give him some community service working to improve other habitat in the area. 

A little manual labor to help remind him not to be so careless in the future.

[Jonathan_S]

  Fill in the ruts, pay a fine.  Get on with your lives citizens.  It's not like there is a poached elk in the back of the Jeep   

[NOCK NOCK]

IMHO, Heli. or Cat. are the only two ways to get it out SAFETLY.
Dozer would add to the resource damage, and some one would still have to be in the jeep during the retrieval,  way to risky for authorities to go this route.

That leaves the Heli. as the only logical, safe, and reasonable way to remove it. Sucks for him, but lessons are learned the hard way sometimes.

As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads.  Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle,  etc.?

It's been said on here many times, and in the bottom of Bearpaws posts. THANKS DALE

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[Woodchuck]

I am gonna guess that under a helo is how that thing is coming out of there. That being said, having been through a little class Uncle Sam gave me about vehicle/equipment lifts under helos, That will still be a sketchy lift no matter how you slice it. Chances of further vehicle damage is high. 

[fair-chase]

As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads.  Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle,  etc.?

This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.

[Jonathan_S]

As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads.  Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle,  etc.?

This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.

School shootings have nothing to do with legal gun ownership either.

All those people need is a foot in the door to start their next set of controlling rules.

[NOCK NOCK]

As a HUGE supporter of ATV/UTV's, this whole deal makes a great statement for our user group. ATV's are not the only vehicle out there that destroys resources......Yet a lot of folks are against them and do not feel they should be allowed on the forest roads.  Are you one of those anti ATV people? How would you feel that because of this guys actions the FS decides to close down the roads to Jeeps, P/U, Car, Cycle,  etc.?

This has nothing to do with roads. This guy is clearly not on a road.

My Bad, I was POSITIVE he was on a road

Sorry ya missed the point. Maybe this will help  read again.