The little things

[D-Rock425]

Vibra slapper   i had a long conversation about that with the hoyt rep told him it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.  I took mine off first thing replaced them with the old limb savers (See pic below).  Hoyt rep told me I was wrong and the virbra slappers were better.  He also told me hoyt would never make a turbo version of a carbon bow I guess he was wrong 

[RadSav]

Best part of that bow is the super sexy stabilizer   I can not for the life of me figure out why that isn't the most popular stabilizer out there.  Guess guys would rather have a back up bar stool attached to there bow

I think that vibra-slapper would have worked just fine if they had spent the money and made it out of Sims Navcom instead of Santoprene.

[D-Rock425]

Wish i could find another one of those stabilizers.

[D-Rock425]

Best part of that bow is the super sexy stabilizer   I can not for the life of me figure out why that isn't the most popular stabilizer out there.  Guess guys would rather have a back up bar stool attached to there bow

I think that vibra-slapper would have worked just fine if they had spent the money and made it out of Sims Navcom instead of Santoprene.

you must have not seen the sweet peep i have on this bow.

[RadSav]

Wish i could find another one of those stabilizers.

What color are you looking for?  I'm sure Cory could come up with one if we ask him.

[D-Rock425]

Wish i could find another one of those stabilizers.

What color are you looking for?  I'm sure Cory could come up with one if we ask him.

camo or black im easy

[lamrith]

Thanks Rad!!

I just messed with the Vital Impacts I have left.

• Blazer vanes, 100g Razor trick, Std nockl, 20grain insert weight, 427grains, 12.86FOC
• Blazer vanes, 100g Razor trick, Nockturnal, 20grain insert weight, 436grains, 11.43FOC

usable for sure, but I will see if there are any arrows that are lighter shaft without breaking the bank.  I will check out the Easton nocks as well.

[RadSav]

• When I got it I had arrows from my previous bow that still worked.
  Vital Impact 300 (300spine made by GT for Sportsmans WH), AMO length: 30.625, 400grain with 100grain field tip, Std nocks, 11.43FOC
• Then I picked up some of these @ Sportco when they had a sale going ($40/doz).
  Archer Edge 7595 (by GT), AMOlength: 30.625, 415grain with 100grain tip, std nocks, 10.82FOC.

Here were the final numbers with nocturnals and 100G BH:

• The Vitals are 407Grain @ 11.63FOC, 292fps over chrono.
• The Archers Choice are 445grain (a +20grain insert weight added to maintain FOC) @11.0FOC, 272fps

I'm sorry I still remain confused.  It sounds as though you only added 7 grains to your arrow when you added the Nockturnal.  While that is odd the fact you gained in FOC while adding to the back of the arrow is even more odd.  Did you change fletching at the same time?  That might make a difference in my figures, but it would still seem as though the weight was added to the back which should decrease the FOC number, shouldn't it?

Then adding 20 grains to the insert you gained just one percent in FOC.  Numbers seem to not be adding up.  Unless I'm reading wrong.  Are you getting these weight figures from actual measurements or from a program like Archers Advantage?

[RadSav]

I just messed with the Vital Impacts I have left.

• Blazer vanes, 100g Razor trick, Std nockl, 20grain insert weight, 427grains, 12.86FOC
• Blazer vanes, 100g Razor trick, Nockturnal, 20grain insert weight, 436grains, 11.43FOC

usable for sure, but I will see if there are any arrows that are lighter shaft without breaking the bank.  I will check out the Easton nocks as well.

Going to be tough finding an arrow lighter than the Vital/GT Vapor.  Those speed and weight numbers do not seem out of line for a 30.625" arrow.

[lamrith]

• When I got it I had arrows from my previous bow that still worked.
  Vital Impact 300 (300spine made by GT for Sportsmans WH), AMO length: 30.625, 400grain with 100grain field tip, Std nocks, 11.43FOC
• Then I picked up some of these @ Sportco when they had a sale going ($40/doz).
  Archer Edge 7595 (by GT), AMOlength: 30.625, 415grain with 100grain tip, std nocks, 10.82FOC.

Here were the final numbers with nocturnals and 100G BH:

• The Vitals are 407Grain @ 11.63FOC, 292fps over chrono.
• The Archers Choice are 445grain (a +20grain insert weight added to maintain FOC) @11.0FOC, 272fps

I'm sorry I still remain confused.  It sounds as though you only added 7 grains to your arrow when you added the Nockturnal.  While that is odd the fact you gained in FOC while adding to the back of the arrow is even more odd.  Did you change fletching at the same time?  That might make a difference in my figures, but it would still seem as though the weight was added to the back which should decrease the FOC number, shouldn't it?

Then adding 20 grains to the insert you gained just one percent in FOC.  Numbers seem to not be adding up.  Unless I'm reading wrong.  Are you getting these weight figures from actual measurements or from a program like Archers Advantage?

I was pulling that info from a spreadsheet I did last year, let me check when I get home and see if it was a typo.  That 407 does sound low based on the numbers that I got lastnight working on things.  I wonder if I looked at the wrong entry in my sheet and pulled std nock data for that 407 in my previous post, based on data below that would appear to be the case...

I have one Vital Impact left with factory fletching and one with 2" blazers, the blazers are heavier.  The last post I did with data was accurate and taken while sitting there at my desk on one actual arrow, just changing the nock.  I have not run either of the last two configurations over the chrono yet.

FYI curious which format you use for FOC?  I have seen two, one is AMO method and the other I think is maybe GT's method?

• AMO is measuring the arrow from nock valley to insert
• "GT" method is nock valley to tip of the arrowhead.

Hrmm was hoping I might find something lighter, I didn't think these sportsman rebranded arrows would be on the light side of spectrum..  I know many people hate the 6grn/# WA law as it is restrictive, but I cannot even get close to it to be a concern.  Blasted long orangatun arms!

[RadSav]

There is a nitpicky method that takes end of nock to tip of point, find center and then balance point.  That is the exact FOC way. For years that was the method I used. However, since FOC is going to vary to some degree either will be good enough for what we need. 

I use Archers Advantage a lot.  Simple quick and unless the broadhead is extremely long it's going to be close enough to get us in the ball park.  There is no absolute number set in stone.  My only real concern is making sure I have more than 10% forward.  Whether my 12-15% ends up being 11.5 - 14.5 or 13-16% isn't a big concern to me.  If I ended up 6-9% well then I'd be concerned.

I did not see the Vapor Pro on GoldTip's website last night.  So if you can find the SW Vital Impact on the shelf it might not be a bad idea to buy a few extra.  Just to be safe.  I'm not positive that is the same shaft, but they do match up closest in weight and performance from what I can tell.

[lamrith]

Thanks AGAIN RadSav!!

I will stop by tonight and see what they have.  You are making me nervous that they might discontinue!  They sure seem hard to beat for the price.

[Smossy]

How have I missed this thread? Good info Rad. Gonna all go into my Archery Journal.

[gaddy]

D-Rock, What arrows are those in the picture? they look like the ones that came with this bow I got.

[Smossy]

D-Rock, What arrows are those in the picture? they look like the ones that came with this bow I got.

Pretty sure they're Goldtip XT Hunter's in 5575