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[D-Rock425]

D-Rock, What arrows are those in the picture? they look like the ones that came with this bow I got.

Pretty sure they're Goldtip XT Hunter's in 5575

smossy is right

[gaddy]

Just wondering. these are Beman, ICS Hunter 340's? The green pattern on the logo looked similar. Lots for me to learn here. Are the Bemans decent for learning with ? Most are field points, but the broad-heads are SKYBOLT XS 100 Grain.

[Smossy]

Just wondering. these are Beman, ICS Hunter 340's? The green pattern on the logo looked similar. Lots for me to learn here. Are the Bemans decent for learning with ? Most are field points, but the broad-heads are SKYBOLT XS 100 Grain.

The Beamin ICS hunter's are great arrows to learn and hunt with, specially for the price.

[RadSav]

Are the Bemans decent for learning with ? Most are field points, but the broad-heads are SKYBOLT XS 100 Grain.

I am quite fond of the Beman ICS shafts.  There are usually a few in every batch that need to be culled, but for the price they are a good shaft.  Also come with Easton nocks which is a plus.  The important thing when first learning to shoot the bow is to shoot often and challenge yourself at some distances.  If you are breaking and loosing $100 in shafts every other day you tend to not challenge yourself much.  So ICS Hunters fit that bill very well.

As far as broadheads...friends don't let friends shoot Allen broadheads

[Band]

As far as broadheads...friends don't let friends shoot Allen broadheads

Not sure any Allen product is worth buying.

[Fullabull]

Last year I purchased more FMJ's, asked to have them cut to 28 1/4. Started shooting my normal setup with 100 grn tips but for some reason my groups were less tight than before.I kept thinking something was going on with my bow and just couldn't figure out what was going on. At one point I shot off one of the vanes and set that arrow down next to my older arrows, hum something didn't look right. I picked up one of each and laid them next to each other and sure enough the new arrow was shorter than the other. Dang, now it maid sense! I had to change to 125 grn heads on the shorter arrows to get a better foc which made the difference.

[RadSav]

Last year I purchased more FMJ's, asked to have them cut to 28 1/4. Started shooting my normal setup with 100 grn tips but for some reason my groups were less tight than before.I kept thinking something was going on with my bow and just couldn't figure out what was going on. At one point I shot off one of the vanes and set that arrow down next to my older arrows, hum something didn't look right. I picked up one of each and laid them next to each other and sure enough the new arrow was shorter than the other. Dang, now it maid sense! I had to change to 125 grn heads on the shorter arrows to get a better foc which made the difference.

How much shorter were these arrows?  Must have been quite a bit to see a spine change of any significance!  Were they fletched with the same amount of helical/offset?  That is usually where you see a difference in batch to batch arrows within reasonable length of each other.

[RadSav]

Most all my paperwork is caught up.  Need to get broadheads caught up since I had to put them on the back burner while I got all reconciliation and taxes completed.  I think by mid week I should be able to have enough time to knock the rest of these twelve topics out before turkey season starts.

[Fullabull]

I think your right Rad, they are just over 1/2" shorter than the old arrows. Just did the FOC calculator and got in the 8% range on both arrows. I put the 125grn tips on and got them in the 10% range. Never realized my foc was that low! With the 125s my total arrow weight will be almost 500 grns. I shoot Montec BHs which only go to 125 grns. What else can I do to increase my foc without changing to even heavier BHs?

[bowtechian]

Change your insert to a heavier one

[lamrith]

Change your insert to a heavier one

Do the FMJ's have GT inserts?  If so he can maybe use the GT weight system to screw weight into the back of the insert.  Saves cutting(making FOC even worse) and putting new inserts in.  I had to do that on my arrows when I added lumenocks and my FOC was to low.

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[RadSav]

I think your right Rad, they are just over 1/2" shorter than the old arrows. Just did the FOC calculator and got in the 8% range on both arrows. I put the 125grn tips on and got them in the 10% range. Never realized my foc was that low! With the 125s my total arrow weight will be almost 500 grns. I shoot Montec BHs which only go to 125 grns. What else can I do to increase my foc without changing to even heavier BHs?

Did you check the fletching?  Are the offsets the same?

1/2" can be quite a bit.  Especially with small diameter arrows and if you are on the edge of having too much or not enough spine.  So it could be a spine issue as well as the FOC issue.  It's rather dangerous to replace inserts in FMJ arrows.  Very easy to damage the bond between the aluminum and carbon.  If you do try I suggest getting as long a field point as possible and heat the point not the shaft.  also good to place a few washers between the shoulder of the point and the shaft so as you rotate it you won't be twisting at the face cut.

If it were me I'd refletch with as much helical as I could get on those skinny shafts and call the 10% good enough until I could afford replacements and some heavier inserts.

[raydog]

Tag and patiently waiting for the helical topic

[Fullabull]

Rad, Helical is pretty much that same but with the 125grn heads on the new arrows, they seem to group more like the older longer arrows that have 100grn tips on them. I just didn't realize that even my old arrows were so low in FOC. They have been great to shoot and group well out to 70 yards or so. I'm going to use the 125s on both now and like you said live with the 10%. Both arrows shoot very well, the new ones were just a little bigger on groupings before putting the 125s on.
Thanks for the help and you posts... Great Idea!

[Fullabull]

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