TRIBAL MEMBERS UP OKLAHOMA GULCH

[Geno]

Indian Reservations are not going to get removed anytime soon because every politician knows that it is political suicide to speak out against something like that.  The Seattle folk will have a hissy fit, and said politician will never be able to run for office again.  Because in America there is nothing wrong with minorities.  White people are always to blame...in case you haven't watched the news in the past 40 years.

All we have to do is stop buying the Indians crap and they will eventually go under.  I don't think politics will be useful in bringing about their downfall.  We have to use economics.  The only way to legally or politically bring about the downfall of the Indian Reservations is to somehow show that they are breaking the treaty that they signed.  The U.S. Government can't just break a treaty even if it is an incredibly stupid and misguided treaty (Well they could, but I don't think that is the right way to go about this.  I wouldn't mind, but we need to keep this legal so we don't make ourselves look like *censored*es.)

I don't think anyone here has any intentions of doing anything illegal. I am not seeking the demise of native americans or their reservations, I just want the tribal poaching to stop! I feel that they should be able to hunt on their reservations all they want, but as soon as they step off of it they should follow our game laws. Ceded lands are B.S. as well as ceremonial hunting for trophy animals. If they need animals for sustenance, a set number of antlerless tags for areas that have damage hunts would work just fine. Hunting trophy bulls in the Colockum reserve or trophy mule deer on their winter range needs to stop. My I am about to throw a "HISSY FIT" if us west side residents keep being referred to as a seperate group of hunters that doesn't care!

[Wenatcheejay]

Geno, you posted on my comment about "Coasties" and I understand what you said. I was talking about people West of the Cascade Divide in Urban setting who do not hunt but do fish. While of course there are people even from King County who hunt, I believe there are many of them who do not hunt, but fish. They may not care about the Clockum or the plight of Big Game but they do care about Salmon. The plight of the Salmon is a federal issue and very public in the Media. We may not be able to stop what is going on. But, if what is going on starts to have an economic impact then people will listen. It is the "Coasties" as I called them who have the numbers, Their voice and dollars matter. I didn't think that the salmon of Brewster needed to start another thread about the Tribal hunting, maybe there should be. Regardless, I think that it will require more than just "elk/deer" issues to change anything. Tribal harvest of Salmon in sensitive areas by indiscriminate means should be intolerable if there is any real effort to restore wild runs. 50% mortality rates of thousands of wild salmon should not be tolerated. I believe getting King County fired up about it is the only way to do anything about it. Alienating them would hurt the cause. So, if "you people" are, or were offended, I am sorry. We need you on our side.

[boneaddict]

You'll never see me at one of their FRICKIN casinos. I PROMISE.  Have never been to Legends and NEVER WILL.

[Geno]

Wenatcheejay,
Brother, I am not offended. I have two brothers that live in Wenatchee and I spend a lot of time over there. That is my playground, Central wa. I hear "Coasties" used so much by eastside residents that I now find it somewhat offensive when used in the context that somehow we are intruding. The issue with the Indians will not stop until enough of us can somehow organize and expose what is going on to the general public. Capturing them hunting illegally on camera is a good start, could be dangerous though. I think a good percentage of hunters may not be as informed as we are, but if they knew, they would be pissed! Anyone witnessing anything questionable should definitely try to document it on film. Hell, if we caught any other poacher on film, we would be running to the WDFW to get our bonus points. There are enough of us here on Hunting Washington to try and organize and put together some sort of plan, don't you agree?

[dbllunger]

Geno...understand what you are saying.  I think what was intended is the huge percentage of liberal California transplants, and extremely liberal people in general on the West side of the state compared to the East side.  There are some great conservative people on your side of the hill, but to say you are a minority is an understatement. 

[Geno]

Geno...understand what you are saying.  I think what was intended is the huge percentage of liberal California transplants, and extremely liberal people in general on the West side of the state compared to the East side.  There are some great conservative people on your side of the hill, but to say you are a minority is an understatement. 

That I definitely agree with!

[huntnphool]

What RMEF chapter had their banquet at a casino?

I cant believe you missed this one Dbll, here you go.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,13809.0.html

[huntnphool]

Maybe we should get about 200 of our members together, gather up our steelhead gear and make a road trip to the lower Quinault and slay all their steelhead in a day without a guide. Do they have enough tribal officers to arrest us all? or........get a few hundred of us to make a deer drive on one of their rez's and push all the animals off?

[WDFW-SUX]

 

Like your thinkin Fool

[farmin4u_98948]

This is a good lesson on how a few bad apples making a whole bin go bad. Most Indians are good law abiding people. Most non native hunters are good people but there are poachers who take more illegal game on a state wide basis than the Natives. Dont let a little information make for a huge thread that gets you all wound up. I have spent my whole life on the Rez and for the most part the Natives are very good people. Facts are usually very different than hear say and rumors.  
When driving around after elk general season in the Yakima Herd areas, Bethal, Nile, Cowiche, Little Naches, Rimrock, etc ........ I was very disappointed in the trash and other things left behind by the NON NATIVE hunters. It was a very sad sight when camp after camp had chairs, tables, carpet, sofas, etc, etc left for I suppose next years hunt. You guys need to put your energy into something productive and not put on a HATE.  

NUFF SAID.........

[huntnphool]

Most Indians are good law abiding people. Most non native hunters are good people but there are poachers who take more illegal game on a state wide basis than the Natives.

One difference being when a non native poacher gets caught there are consiquences. When the "good law abiding" natives step up and do something about their "few bad apples" then I will relax and not get "wound up".

Unbelievable that you can justify the actions of your few "bad apples" because of "non native poachers". You don't see anyone on this site condoning poaching of any kind or under any circumstance, two wrongs dont make a right.

The natives should step up and put a stop to this crap themselves, until then they are all going to look bad in my eyes.

[bucklucky]

It took 5 pages of posts before I decided to read it  I knew what I would see , this issue is as bad as the wolves in Washington.........._ _ _ !

[Geno]

This is a good lesson on how a few bad apples making a whole bin go bad. Most Indians are good law abiding people. Most non native hunters are good people but there are poachers who take more illegal game on a state wide basis than the Natives. Dont let a little information make for a huge thread that gets you all wound up. I have spent my whole life on the Rez and for the most part the Natives are very good people. Facts are usually very different than hear say and rumors.  
When driving around after elk general season in the Yakima Herd areas, Bethal, Nile, Cowiche, Little Naches, Rimrock, etc ........ I was very disappointed in the trash and other things left behind by the NON NATIVE hunters. It was a very sad sight when camp after camp had chairs, tables, carpet, sofas, etc, etc left for I suppose next years hunt. You guys need to put your energy into something productive and not put on a HATE.  

NUFF SAID.........

I wonder how much trash was left in the Colockum elk reserve by the native hunters that were camped in there shooting the *censored* out of the trophy elk?

[PolarBear]

How about we rent a helicopter to chase all for the elk and deer off of the reservations and onto public land?

[farmin4u_98948]

Point is that there are bad in every group. Education about what really is fact and what is rumor can clear many of these emotional issues or at least bring an understanding.


LIFE TIME LIVEN ON THE REZ  AND MARRIED TO A NATIVE.   98948



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