TRIBAL MEMBERS UP OKLAHOMA GULCH

[colvilletacoma]

Oh and I shot 2 deer a doe and a 4x4 172" Gross Muley. The doe was for a funeral. There has also been several poachers caught this year on our reservation. Tribal members that were caught, not non-members. Earlier this winter a game warden had a poached bull moose in the back of his truck that was poached. Funny thing is the guy use to be a poacher and got caught before and now he has grown up and its 100% aganist it. I guess now he knows all the tricks into how to catch them

[colvilletacoma]

Also thanks huntnphool!

[bobcat]

Oh and I shot 2 deer a doe and a 4x4 172" Gross Muley. The doe was for a funeral.

So where did you shoot these two deer? Just curious. On the Colville Res?

[colvilletacoma]

Nope in the neck...jk....Yeah I shot them both on the Colville Reservation

[buckhorn2]

I have a friend that is a colvile and he is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I have taken him and some other friends of his that were also trial members fishing in the ocean and enjoyed them there not all bad and the ones that do overkill sure make it bad for the ones that don;t. They have the bad apples just like we do and probley want the same people stopped as we do.

[popeshawnpaul]

I personally think the only way we are going to stop this is by talking with the tribes and getting them to self regulate their members.  Guys like Colvilletacoma should step up when guys from his tribe go out and do this garbage.  It reflects very bad on your whole tribe because it is hard for us to distinguish between the law abiding tribal members and the ones using a 120 year old treaty to their benefit and in ways never contemplated by the original treaty.  Now we just need to find a few members of the Yakima tribe to step up and take care of this issue.  Your name is getting dragged through the mud Yakima members.

Colvilletacoma, your right, it does go both ways.  That's why when one of our non-tribal poachers got caught last year the thread was huge and we all called and emailed the prosecutor to go tough on him.  He got a year in jail...  Unfortunately, we can't touch tribal members like you, but your fellow members can.  A few phone calls from some important members in a tribe to these guys would stop this.  Courts, emailing legislators, and bitching on here isn't going to get anything done.

 

[Geno]

Shawn is right, we need a couple of Yakimas that care to make a difference on this matter. The fight needs to be fought from within, I think it may be futile for us on the outside looking in. Now the difficult task of finding a Yakima that actually cares

[mossback91]

What we need is that kid from mm on here to show us some pics of his BIG rez bucks!! Hes from the grand coulee/nespelem area I think...... named Jared?? 

[Wenatcheejay]

Just because there are some Tribal Members who may agree that "poaching" is bad, that is not enough for me. I do say thank you for posting to those that do. Please keep it up. I am glad that some members are reading here. But, (to anyone offended) I don't care if pointing out wasting of game, poaching, disregard for equality of the law seems like racism. That is like saying if there is terrorism going on caused by Islamic Terrorists but if you call it "Islamic Terrorism" you are a racist. OK, I don't mind calling a spade a spade and being called a spade hater for it. I hate the action not the person or people. Racism does not bother me we are adults here and most of us know it is a fact of life. It is the action that is going on that I hate and it is the love of the wildlife that fuels the fire. I always read about how it was the Tribes who are the "First and True Conservationists." If that is true, they should all act like it. When tribal members do not (act like it) the shame should be great. The Tribes should be front and center on this and their law should be on par with if not greater than the WAC If it is not Tribal Law should be secondary to WAC. "Open Unclaimed Space" should be defined, it will take another lawsuit to do that. (Save your quarters for the case.) "Game" should be Native Game defined as animals of the time of the treaty in that area not those introduced after. Elk tags and such should be given and taken by them just like us. That is what I want. If that makes me a racist to ANYONE I really don't care.

[Geno]

My sentiments exactly Wenatcheejay, well said.
+1!!!

[muleyguy]

colvilletacoma,

It is great that you are trying to stand up for doing the right thing as a tribal member;  keep up the good work, that is what is needed.  I do not know much about the Colville tribe, but, from what I understand, the big game population is healthy with good numbers of mature animals on the reservation.  That tells me that the Colville tribe is doing a decent job of managing/controlling the hunting on the reservation, and, that you do not have a bunch of Tribal members running around uncontrolled (although I am sure you have some)  So, count yourself as lucky.  And, when the hunting is good on the Reservation, there is no need to hunt off of the Reservation. 

The situation with the Yakama's is different.  Not only have they failed to properly manage their own reservations (which I don't care about), but, tribal members have actively started hunting off of the reservation into the ceeded lands.  They are doing this for two reasons.  The first being that the hunting for big antlered animals is much BETTER off reservation than on reservation.  They have essentially destroyed the big game hunting on the reservation.  The second reason is to prove they have the right to do this (which they do).  The Yakama tribe has been blessed with premier agricultural land, premier forests, and great big game habitat.  They should be one of the wealthiest tribes in the country.  Yet, they consistently mismanage their holdings, are corrupt even amongst themselves in how they govern, and, have ruined their big game hunting on their own land. 

So, at the end of the day, their own mismanagement of their big game herds is resulting in tribal members coming off of the reservation to hunt mature branch antlered bulls at feeding stations, to hunt mature mule deer bucks on the winter range.  Come to the Yakima Sportsman show and look in the antler competition;  there are a couple of brothers who have probably shot 15, low to mid 300's, class bull elk just in the last couple of years, and , that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The only thing the Yakama tribe has ever shown is a complete pattern of mismanagment in all things they do, and, a burning desire to stick it to the white man. 

Unfortunately, the ONLY thing that has any potential to slow it down is a PR campaign, as it seems the Yakama tribe is completely incapable of policing themselves properly.

[MAVsled]

"We had a 5% mortality rate when I was on the project. We are currently in the process of building a Chinook salmon hatchery to benefit not only members but non-members as well....."

lets not minimize a small number like 5% mortality rate. 5% could be 500 or more endangered salmon that don't make it to the spawning beds.  This is just typical commercial rhetoric (tribal or non-tribal) LOS.

[CJ-5]

My dad was up the Entiat just looking around at deer last week and as he was talking with a local guy, a red toyota, chained on all 4s went moseying up mud creek. white guy driving, indian passenger.  i wonder if those are the same f****ers that shot those bucks that got this whole thread started?  like everyone has said time and time again, this whole thing is a shame and needs to stop!  it seems like no area is safe anymore! 

[spin05]

The more i read the more pissed i get.I used to hunt there before permits were in effect. I will say one tribe i have always kind of liked is the Quinault tribe. If you ever go fish there river .They have a dead line were no nets are allowed past.I think its like 2miles from the mouth.They have since turned there over populated bear problem into a hunting revenue too.I know they too hunt off the rez on once in a while but im talking across the street type thing not 200 miles away.

[CJ-5]

I do know some good Quinaults and they do have their act together as far as fishing goes.  They just wiped out the elk from the Humptulips and Wynoochee areas...they drive behind locked gates and shoot elk  6 months out of the year just like the other tribes.  You are right spin05, the more i read this too, the more pissed i get as well!