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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 01:35:07 PM »
Awesome! I hope it gets traction

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2015, 02:07:36 PM »
That probably wouldn't do much.  The following is where it will fail:

"Dedicate $10 million or 1.5 percent of the Land and Water Conservation Fund annually to pay willing landowners for easements to access public land."

Most landowners are not going to be willing to do this.  I know I would not.

Look man, some times you just gotta roll the dice

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2015, 02:13:40 PM »
That's because if a landowner has "exclusive" use of PUBLIC property it is in their best interest to protect that.  We should find ways to allow public land hunters to use our land. 

Paying foe the public to access the public land sucks, but if that's what it takes to create legal access I hope we can get there.

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 03:18:55 PM »
I don't expect this to really get anywhere....
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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2015, 03:57:55 PM »
I don't expect this to really get anywhere....

 :yeah:
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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2015, 04:04:04 PM »
If they can't buy access, restrict it to all.  They should add another provision in this law:   Provide that if sufficient public access to any given block of federal land can't be obtained, that it be CLOSED.  Closed to any personal access, to grazing, hiking, hunting... everything.  I'm guessing there's a ton of this kind of land that has grazing leases or dude ranch's of fly fishing guides accessing it.  Closing the land will probably have more impact than offering some pittance for access.

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 04:13:26 PM »
 :yeah:

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2015, 05:26:29 PM »
If they can't buy access, restrict it to all.  They should add another provision in this law:   Provide that if sufficient public access to any given block of federal land can't be obtained, that it be CLOSED.  Closed to any personal access, to grazing, hiking, hunting... everything.  I'm guessing there's a ton of this kind of land that has grazing leases or dude ranch's of fly fishing guides accessing it.  Closing the land will probably have more impact than offering some pittance for access.

 :yeah:

Should stand for State land as well.  They don't have to allow motorized access just access through the shortest path/road/trail, etc.

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2015, 09:36:28 PM »
Some states have proposed bills doing what you guys suggest...they proposed closing landlocked lands to hunting for everyone.  Those state bills and federal bills like what I posted are becoming an increasingly regular occurrence in legislative chambers.  Things don't change overnight but the trend is very encouraging.  I think the days of a select few keeping public resources to themselves are numbered.  Probably one of the biggest developments that will advance this kind of legislation is the advance in GPS technologies...particularly all those OnX maps.  The masses are becoming educated about just how many millions of acres are locked up for a privileged few...and as access and crowding on public lands continues to dominate the challenges of recruiting and retaining hunters the political appetite for doing nothing to address these millions of landlocked public acres will dwindle rapidly.   
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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2015, 09:47:59 PM »
If they can't buy access, restrict it to all.  They should add another provision in this law:   Provide that if sufficient public access to any given block of federal land can't be obtained, that it be CLOSED.  Closed to any personal access, to grazing, hiking, hunting... everything.  I'm guessing there's a ton of this kind of land that has grazing leases or dude ranch's of fly fishing guides accessing it.  Closing the land will probably have more impact than offering some pittance for access.

Another  :yeah:

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2015, 10:01:53 PM »
 :yeah: I wouldnt offer them anything,Allow it or we close it,If your caught on it fine the crap out of them.On another note if there is water in it on it or under it isnt there some law that says it cant be locked already?
You must first be honest with yourself,Until then your just lying to everyone.

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2015, 08:49:28 AM »
Some states have proposed bills doing what you guys suggest...they proposed closing landlocked lands to hunting for everyone.  Those state bills and federal bills like what I posted are becoming an increasingly regular occurrence in legislative chambers.  Things don't change overnight but the trend is very encouraging.  I think the days of a select few keeping public resources to themselves are numbered.  Probably one of the biggest developments that will advance this kind of legislation is the advance in GPS technologies...particularly all those OnX maps.  The masses are becoming educated about just how many millions of acres are locked up for a privileged few...and as access and crowding on public lands continues to dominate the challenges of recruiting and retaining hunters the political appetite for doing nothing to address these millions of landlocked public acres will dwindle rapidly.   
http://www.hcn.org/articles/sportsmens-bill-aims-to-open-inaccessible-public-lands?utm_source=wcn1&utm_medium=email

A bill every sportsmen should support.   :tup:

Anytime the pro-wolf crowd gets excited about new access through private lands for "hunting" I like to look into it a bit more. Kind of reminds me of the environmentalist etc. buying up easements, ranches etc..

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2015, 09:17:08 AM »
The pro-wolf crowd is excited about this?  :dunno:

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Re: Bill to Open inaccessible, landlocked federal lands
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2015, 09:26:49 AM »
Problem I see is they get access to the public land then are all over the private property as well, and if it is a road lane or trail it is going to and from the Public land it will look like a land fill after the first season of granting access.  All he CIVILIZED hunters dumping their trash on the way out.....
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