Baiting: A possible solution?

[jasnt]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

[bearpaw]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

[pianoman9701]

Is the assumption here that there will be new regulations on baiting and therefor, we must be proactive in helping to set guidelines/regulations?

[bearpaw]

An assumption is that the Commission does not like the "No Change" option.

[lokidog]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

Yes!  I hunt no public land but bait on private parcels that have no parts more than 1/4 mile from a road.  If this was for public land OK, but the way it is written there is no distiction between private and public.  This is a problem.

[jasnt]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

no they would not effect me what so ever. But May effect some hunters that do not have private land to hunt or less mobility than me.  If there must be rules for baiting than I think they should be as simple as possible to understand and enforce and also the less restrictive as possible for disabled or senior hunters.

[bearpaw]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

no they would not effect me what so ever. But May effect some hunters that do not have private land to hunt or less mobility than me.  If there must be rules for baiting than I think they should be as simple as possible to understand and enforce and also the less restrictive as possible for disabled or senior hunters.

Disabled & Elderly
I agree we want rules that do not inhibit special needs hunters while at the same time making baiting more acceptable to others. Please remember, the real opposition to baiting is from other hunters who don't like it.

So your biggest opposition is the distance from a public road?
How can we reword that to assist special needs hunters and still clean up the baiting issue so it's more acceptable?

[lokidog]

How about we leave private land baiting alone (I think quantity limitations are fine for both private and public).  Public land baiting could require a visible label somewhere with the baiter's contact info on it.  I think the distance restriction would have to be a lot less for public land, like 50-100 yards from a road. I don't think there needs to be any restriction pertaining to proximity to water, what is the point of that?  It's not like people are using oils or fats for baiting deer/elk.

 

[lokidog]

If you have a baiting situation that will not work under any of these rules please explain why and offer a reasonable solution?

I have four 1/2 acre properties that I can bait/hunt, they all run along a road and are all less than 200 yards deep.  One property I have hunted is eight acres and has the same description as it is long and skinny.  And, before I hear, those aren't big enough to hunt anyways, I have permission to recover animals from most adjoining properties.

Reasonable solution --> No restrictions besides amount on private land!

[Special T]

The situations described by Loki are why I cannot get behind many rules, especially baiting. If Im on private land then it should be up to the owner. Rules get convoluted and hard to understand because  we make them that way.... I dont want to contribute the to  complication of our sport... THAT reduces recruitment, and THAT causes people to quit...

[jasnt]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

no they would not effect me what so ever. But May effect some hunters that do not have private land to hunt or less mobility than me.  If there must be rules for baiting than I think they should be as simple as possible to understand and enforce and also the less restrictive as possible for disabled or senior hunters.

Disabled & Elderly
I agree we want rules that do not inhibit special needs hunters while at the same time making baiting more acceptable to others. Please remember, the real opposition to baiting is from other hunters who don't like it.

So your biggest opposition is the distance from a public road?
How can we reword that to assist special needs hunters and still clean up the baiting issue so it's more acceptable?

i think disabled should be exempt from the distance rule. The visibility part needs clairified as well. Bait not visible or site not visible?  Pretty easy to conceal bait from the road but to conceal a site would be tough 

[turkeyfeather]

Maybe the solution is limiting baiting to private lands? I have ran across old bait sites on public lands that were left quite a mess.

Not all of us have access or like to hunt private land.

[Brad Harshman]

I attended the public meeting with WDFW today in Moses Lake.  Baiting was discussed and everyone who wanted to speak on the topic had to sign up and then was allowed 3 minutes.  It went very well.  Everyone was respectful and cordial.  Lots of good ideas were discussed too.  They were kicking around the 10 gallon limit for baiting but we're hanging up with enforceability. 
It wasn't until I left that I realized maybe we should be discussing bait food types versus volume issues.  Apples seemed to be the point of conflict.  They don't offer quality nutrition that the deer and elk need, especially late season. 
So why not focus our efforts baiting type regulations and not so much quantities.  Alfalfa hay and salt blocks, especially with selenium, would offer longer term benefits to elk and deer. 
What do you guys think of this?

[singleshot12]

I attended the public meeting with WDFW today in Moses Lake.  Baiting was discussed and everyone who wanted to speak on the topic had to sign up and then was allowed 3 minutes.  It went very well.  Everyone was respectful and cordial.  Lots of good ideas were discussed too.  They were kicking around the 10 gallon limit for baiting but we're hanging up with enforceability. 
It wasn't until I left that I realized maybe we should be discussing bait food types versus volume issues.  Apples seemed to be the point of conflict.  They don't offer quality nutrition that the deer and elk need, especially late season. 
So why not focus our efforts baiting type regulations and not so much quantities.  Alfalfa hay and salt blocks, especially with selenium, would offer longer term benefits to elk and deer. 
What do you guys think of this?

  is what I was thinking also.. Apples,molasses etc. is like crack cocaine for deer, rots their teeth out as well.

And any kind of nutritional baiting should be done post rut.

[bearpaw]

I don't agree with any rule changes for baiting. But if I had to choose I'd say not visible from maintained road and  I'd be ok with 8 cu ft. Let's not make it complicated.  No need for set distance or even a set amount. Bale of hay or few sacks of grain

I had advocated for the simplest of rules if we must have rules.

Quick Question: Would any of the rules in my first post unreasonably affect your baiting practices?

Yes!  I hunt no public land but bait on private parcels that have no parts more than 1/4 mile from a road.  If this was for public land OK, but the way it is written there is no distiction between private and public.  This is a problem.

- Be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway, if visible from that roadway

(just keep it out of sight, that's reasonable)