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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #105 on: March 22, 2015, 01:23:54 PM »
I think if change is coming its better to be involved in the process than to let the process evolve without you. I think some of the basic rules Dale has posted are reasonable. For me, I don't run bait to hunt over. I run bait at my cams to see what's in the area. Following some simple guidelines and still being able to run bait is better than not being able to run bait at all.

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2015, 01:46:56 PM »
Why should the seniors and the disabled be penalized under these rules. You think the disabled can shlep bait 400 yards, maybe some seniors can but not all. Lets level the playing, no bait for the disabled, no bait for anyone.

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2015, 02:01:41 PM »
Why should the seniors and the disabled be penalized under these rules. You think the disabled can shlep bait 400 yards, maybe some seniors can but not all. Lets level the playing, no bait for the disabled, no bait for anyone.

If they cant carry it they can get help. If we are going to look at every extreme might be case in the name a fairness we may all well end all hunting.  :dunno:

So if your eyes are bad and you can't shoot an open site muzzleloader over 50 yards....I shouldn't be able to either.  This makes no sense what so ever.  Maybe we should eliminate all youth tags because the odds are better for youth and that's not fair either.  Just level the playing field throughout. 

This is a very slippery slope.... :bash:

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2015, 02:05:22 PM »
Baiting bear and running dogs was tradition and the only successful way to manage preditors.That was a major mistake when voted away.

Designated areas for baiting deer and elk should be seriously considered also

That was my point....but then we should outlaw modern firearms because natives were very successful with traditional weapons. 

My only point is why restrict a method of hunting because it wasn't used by our elders / past generations.  Times change and methods evolve.  What works for me may or may not work for you (or others).

I understand what you are saying,and yes times change and methods evolve,and that is exactly why baiting should be looked at. Never before has it been so popular and widespread. Other hunters with logical reason see baiting as a threat to the future of hunting.
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2015, 02:08:37 PM »
8 CF of apples 1 month before the season is a large pile of apples. I'm for  making apples illegal for baiting.

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2015, 02:13:16 PM »
Why should the seniors and the disabled be penalized under these rules. You think the disabled can shlep bait 400 yards, maybe some seniors can but not all. Lets level the playing, no bait for the disabled, no bait for anyone.


Per Dale's proposed rules, they wouldn't have to schlep it 400 yards unless they wanted to leave it on plain sight...
Dale, may I suggest a terminology change on this point to something like "If located within 400 yards of any publicly maintained roadway, a bait station must be not be visible from said roadway."
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2015, 02:20:39 PM »
I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

And lazy a**es like you who are to stupid and lazy to get out and actually hunt something, should be allowed to continue baiting so you can sit on your bait pile and kill your deer? No baiting for anyone and the disabled won't get any special privileges.

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2015, 02:40:05 PM »
I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

And lazy a**es like you who are to stupid and lazy to get out and actually hunt something, should be allowed to continue baiting so you can sit on your bait pile and kill your deer? No baiting for anyone and the disabled won't get any special privileges.

Two things:

Stop with the profanity!

Please consider that other people may want to hunt differently than you and that baiting is the safest method of hunting in populated areas.
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2015, 02:45:44 PM »
I sent a message to WDFW and the Commission to ask for their input.

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Dear WDFW and Commissioners,

I am an outfitter in NE Washington and I own a popular hunting forum, Hunting-Washington. I’m aware of some of the complaints about baiting and the areas where the complaints are coming from. I wanted to make the Moses Lake meeting but was too busy. I’m trying to determine some minimal rules which are acceptable to most hunters that will address the major concerns that WDFW and the commission have with baiting. Could some of you please reply back to me with a summation of the major concerns that you feel need resolved. I would like to be able to say on the forum that I received correspondence from at least one commissioner or from WDFW (no name need be mentioned) and this is a list of major concerns. Using that list of concerns I would like to discuss it on the forum to establish some simple rules which are acceptable to most hunters. I look forward to any help you can provide.

Please feel free to follow the conversation and comment if you wish: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,172226.html

Best Regards,
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Inviting them to view this discussion was bad strategy BP. Its one thing for you and I to discuss what to do in a worst case scenario... Like what kind of wording to steer ignorant commissioners to.

Its wrong because it would appear that our arguments  imply that we know rules on baiting are coming and we have given up ground in the fight against BS baiting rules.

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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2015, 02:55:26 PM »
If you believe this forum isn't already read by commissioners, WDFW employees, legislators and others in positions of authority you would be mistaken.
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2015, 02:59:43 PM »
Why should the seniors and the disabled be penalized under these rules. You think the disabled can shlep bait 400 yards, maybe some seniors can but not all. Lets level the playing, no bait for the disabled, no bait for anyone.


Per Dale's proposed rules, they wouldn't have to schlep it 400 yards unless they wanted to leave it on plain sight...
Dale, may I suggest a terminology change on this point to something like "If located within 400 yards of any publicly maintained roadway, a bait station must be not be visible from said roadway."

Yes, the wording seems to be confusing some people, how is this....

Baiting Restrictions
- Bait placed less than 400 yards from a public roadway cannot be visible from the road
- Bait cannot be placed in a lake, pond, or running stream
- Bait sites cannot have more than 8 cubic feet* of bait placed within a 16 hour period


*8 cubic feet = 59 Gallons = (1) 16"x18"x48" bale

(While it's important to get bait sites out of public view and resolve bait quantity issues, it's very important that these rules do not prevent small landowners from baiting. Hunters want to be able to bait on their own properties and on public land, this can be done following these rules?)
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2015, 03:02:22 PM »
If you believe this forum isn't already read by commissioners, WDFW employees, legislators and others in positions of authority you would be mistaken.

That is correct!
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2015, 03:15:26 PM »
If you believe this forum isn't already read by commissioners, WDFW employees, legislators and others in positions of authority you would be mistaken.

When I talk business strategy with my partner I usually dont call attention to myself while doing so. I have the conversation in my truck not standing in front of the customer. It is a tactical difference of opinion, thats all.

We have nothing to hide and SEVERAL people have voiced thier displeasure with ANY potential baiting rule changes. IF the Commission is actually concerned with science or good management then its a non issue... I am disappointed at the under-representation of hunters on the commission so i think being cautious and skeptical is the right course.
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2015, 03:16:23 PM »
Back in the late 90's it was the anti's that got bear baiting outlawed, now it's hunters trying to cut their own throats. You dipshi@ts ought to quit trying to cut off your noses to spite your face. This crap makes me sick.
 Bad enough we have wolves now and I'm sure more Grizzlies are coming next. Don't need hunters to help regulate ourselves out of options.
 I could give a rip if you want to bait, shoot a deer with mechanical tips, use lighted nocks, or maybe trap a beaver. I sure the heck ain't gonna make it any harder for you folks that want to do it. Sad day for hunters as far as This is concerned.
Right now Anti hunting groups are applauding some of you for doing their dirty work. :bash:
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Re: Baiting: A possible solution?
« Reply #119 on: March 22, 2015, 03:20:24 PM »
If you believe this forum isn't already read by commissioners, WDFW employees, legislators and others in positions of authority you would be mistaken.

When I talk business strategy with my partner I usually dont call attention to myself while doing so. I have the conversation in my truck not standing in front of the customer. It is a tactical difference of opinion, thats all.

We have nothing to hide and SEVERAL people have voiced thier displeasure with ANY potential baiting rule changes. IF the Commission is actually concerned with science or good management then its a non issue... I am disappointed at the under-representation of hunters on the commission so i think being cautious and skeptical is the right course.

This whole forum is a public discussion.  :dunno:


Back in the late 90's it was the anti's that got bear baiting outlawed, now it's hunters trying to cut their own throats. You dipshi@ts ought to quit trying to cut off your noses to spite your face. This crap makes me sick.
 Bad enough we have wolves now and I'm sure more Grizzlies are coming next. Don't need hunters to help regulate ourselves out of options.
 I could give a rip if you want to bait, shoot a deer with mechanical tips, use lighted nocks, or maybe trap a beaver. I sure the heck ain't gonna make it any harder for you folks that want to do it. Sad day for hunters as far as This is concerned.
Right now Anti hunting groups are applauding some of you for doing their dirty work. :bash:

If you had read previous posts you would understand this is an issue expressed by other hunters. It has little to do with non-hunters.  :twocents:
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