Spring Turkey is only 3 and a half months away.

[turkeyhunter]

Bitter is the understatement of the year, give me a call and I will get you in contact with a chapter in your area, I thought this was a forum for Turkey hunters, what is all the talk about stealing and hijacking this thread ? please explain how this site works, you have explained everything else with no problem.....Remember to the folks reading these remarks that all of the negative comments are coming from guy's that have been affiliated with the NWTF 10 + years....If it is such a terrible 501c3 organization why did they stay around so long ? I was warned by many people before I put my first remark on this site, In hindsight I think now I should have listened.....Yelp....I did the 501c3 for you...I will watch what I write more careful...I had my spelling lesson yesterday and today I accidental wrote company....I am just glad I did not write Corporation...Probably would have gotten a knock on the door....How do I start a new thread for folks that want to hear the good stuff...Please let me know ?

[Turkeyman]

I truly hope you can make a difference we tried for years. It took us awhile to figure out the way's of the NWTF. Like YELP and Wacenturion said our hearts where in it and we tried very hard to make a difference and i think we all did. When the game department got involved and it was all about the money and not the turkey's is when i personally lost interest. I still support for the Jake's program but don't have faith in what we where trying to accomplish and that's managing the wild turkey.

[NWTFhunter]

Well, your talking about the game dept. what do you expect ?  I remember that when the individual tags were proposed they wanted it all.  But we fought them and got some.
The same thing is happening in Ca right now.  The Bio there made a proposal to generate $ for the state chapter to work with and the CDFG shot it to pieces, but turns right around and tries to take it upon themselves to create what Ryan was doing because they didnt want to share the money.

Has National done everything the right way? No
Has RMEF, BASS or any of the other groups done everything the right way ? No.
Running an org takes $$ to operate. Plain and simple.

Is the core package getting better ?
You damn right it is.  We had a state meeting in Ca a couple of years ago and said we dont want this crap that is being imported. I guess we were not the only ones screaming, as it changed the next year. Can it get better ? Yes.
Will it?  With further pressure from a collective voice it will.  Its just like politics, you can have a small group bitching about something and the majority feeling the same way. But if the majority doesnt speak up nothing is going to change.  (that wasnt included by accident)
Is Dave a stand up guy ? Yes he is.  Will he work for a better Wa NWTF yes he will.  But we all have to be on the same page.

Wa, the turkey transplants that were conducted did cost us big money. Ca had the same thing happen to them, because there wasnt a majority voice in place to say no, were not paying that for trap and transfers, nor the $$ to fund it ourselves. So we were at Nationals mercy.

Will the National convention ever be held in the west, or midwest ?  I dont see why it shouldnt be.
There has been requests to have it closer, but if it isnt a general consensus by all in the west it isnt going to happen.
I would love to go to the National convention someday.

Sorry for the continued jack, but I thought that Dave needed a little support.

[Wacenturion]

Bitter is the understatement of the year, give me a call and I will get you in contact with a chapter in your area, I thought this was a forum for Turkey hunters, what is all the talk about stealing and hijacking this thread ? please explain how this site works, you have explained everything else with no problem.....Remember to the folks reading these remarks that all of the negative comments are coming from guy's that have been affiliated with the NWTF 10 + years....If it is such a terrible 501c3 organization why did they stay around so long ? I was warned by many people before I put my first remark on this site, In hindsight I think now I should have listened.....Yelp....I did the 501c3 for you...I will watch what I write more careful...I had my spelling lesson yesterday and today I accidental wrote company....I am just glad I did not write Corporation...Probably would have gotten a knock on the door....How do I start a new thread for folks that want to hear the good stuff...Please let me know ?

1.  Stealing and hijacking the thread.....meaning....The thread was about spring turkey season 3 1/2 months away, then you posted about needing people to start new chapters and NWTF banquets.....thus the subject matter changed.  Commonly referred to as hijacking.  Not necessarily you who hijacked....but initiated the possibility when you posted.  So I hope that explains it for you.


2.  "Remember to the folks reading these remarks that all of the negative comments are coming from guy's that have been affiliated with the NWTF 10 + years....If it is such a terrible 501c3 organization why did they stay around so long ?" 

Maybe because these were some of the folks that initially started the chapter system before NWTF staff was on the scene.  Put in several years getting it going, then enough money was starting to get generated.....NWTF puts RD in Northwest having Wa., Oregon, Hawaii as his area.  Couple more years go by and folks get treated like crap, talked down too, have to deal with stupid Federation rules regarding banquets and money issues and eventually volunteers figure out the scam.  Thus your 10 year span.  Was fun and productive until these things happened. 


3.  "will watch what I write more careful...I had my spelling lesson yesterday and today I accidental wrote company....I am just glad I did not write Corporation..."
The reason I took a cheap shop at your spelling was because you said to me.....
                     
"Just because you do not believe in Consevation of the Wild Turkey and the Preservation of our Hunting Heritage does not mean you can run a great organization to the ground."

A completely ridiculous statement as you know nothing about my commitment regarding conservation.  Just figured if you were going to question an individual's "conservation" stance, you should first learn how to spell it.


4.  "How do I start a new thread for folks that want to hear the good stuff...Please let me know

Go to any forum...i.e.  Turkey hunting, look across the top where it says subject matter, replies, and last post.  Right above last post is a box that says New Topic.  Click on it and start a new thread.  It's that easy.  Be advised though.....you will get comments back from all sides on issues or subject matter you post.  That's how forums work. 

[Wacenturion]

NWTFHunter.....you said......

       "Well, your talking about the game dept. what do you expect ?  I remember that when the individual tags were proposed they wanted it all.  But we fought them and got some."


Can you explain what you are talking about....thanks.

[Turkeyman]

I can remember a BIO asking why we had kids at a release sight for a eastern plant and he stated they need to go site in the cars and not handle the birds That same plant was in March we tried to get game department to shut down that county for at lest that turkey season thank the did NO. Those birds where hunted a month later how stupid. Just seemed like no matter how hard you worked and how much you cared it didn't matter. Did NWTF stand up to the department NO.

[Wacenturion]

Turkeyman......I think I know the Biologist you are talking about.....initials...P.M.?  Yep....stupid people piss people off.  The Regional office.......P.M. and his boss in Vancouver, the Regional Wildlife Bio. played all kinds of games on some of the proposed Eastern releases down there.....like...that's all this year when there were more birds ready to be released on a given day and had to be sent elsewhere.

As far as the hunting....pretty tough to change the season and close it as it requires Commission action and all kinds of WAC revisions and timelines.  Had similar things go on with hunting on other Eastern release sites in Thurston County by some of the NWTF members that went along and helped on the releases.  They were supposed to leave them alone that year....most did...some didn't.  Other people just happened to see some of the birds and hunted them.  Fortunately the actual hunting posed no threat to the population.

[NWTFhunter]

NWTFHunter.....you said......

       "Well, your talking about the game dept. what do you expect ?  I remember that when the individual tags were proposed they wanted it all.  But we fought them and got some."


Can you explain what you are talking about....thanks.

Sorry, the WDFW wanted to use all the money for the new tag sales here.  The NWTF got them to split the money from sales.

[NWTFhunter]

Turkeyman......I think I know the Biologist you are talking about.....initials...P.M.?  Yep....stupid people piss people off.  The Regional office.......P.M. and his boss in Vancouver, the Regional Wildlife Bio. played all kinds of games on some of the proposed Eastern releases down there.....like...that's all this year when there were more birds ready to be released on a given day and had to be sent elsewhere.

As far as the hunting....pretty tough to change the season and close it as it requires Commission action and all kinds of WAC revisions and timelines.  Had similar things go on with hunting on other Eastern release sites in Thurston County by some of the NWTF members that went along and helped on the releases.  They were supposed to leave them alone that year....most did...some didn't.  Other people just happened to see some of the birds and hunted them.  Fortunately the actual hunting posed no threat to the population.

What should have happened was the WDFW Dir. enact a halt to hunting on any new release site.
If there are future releases, the NWTF should ensure that no hunting will take place for 1 year, or we wont fund or support it.
Its just thinking ahead... which I dont think was done in this case.   I dont know who was to blame, nor care as long as it doesnt happen again.

[Wacenturion]

Still confused...are we talking about raffle tags?

[NWTFhunter]

Im not sure if the raffle tags came into account, I dont think so.  But this goes back to when you got 3 tags with your small game lic. and then had to purchase them seperately.

[Wacenturion]

Turkeyman......I think I know the Biologist you are talking about.....initials...P.M.?  Yep....stupid people piss people off.  The Regional office.......P.M. and his boss in Vancouver, the Regional Wildlife Bio. played all kinds of games on some of the proposed Eastern releases down there.....like...that's all this year when there were more birds ready to be released on a given day and had to be sent elsewhere.

As far as the hunting....pretty tough to change the season and close it as it requires Commission action and all kinds of WAC revisions and timelines.  Had similar things go on with hunting on other Eastern release sites in Thurston County by some of the NWTF members that went along and helped on the releases.  They were supposed to leave them alone that year....most did...some didn't.  Other people just happened to see some of the birds and hunted them.  Fortunately the actual hunting posed no threat to the population.

What should have happened was the WDFW Dir. enact a halt to hunting on any new release site.
If there are future releases, the NWTF should ensure that no hunting will take place for 1 year, or we wont fund or support it.
Its just thinking ahead... which I dont think was done in this case.   I dont know who was to blame, nor care as long as it doesnt happen again.

You have to understand that some of the release sites were in areas where Easterns had already been released and seasons were open.  Other areas were new in as far as the individual county was concerned.  The only people that knew the sites were the WDFW folks and the NWTF members who assisted.  It was an honor thing.  A few took advantage of the situation...although some of the tales I heard are false.  You know...so and so got an Eastern so it had to come from the release site....wrong.  So there's some of that in the mix also.

I hear ya and where you are coming from, but the logistics of shutting down areas has it negatives.  The main thing to remember is that every tom is expendable once breeding takes place.  That coupled with the difficulty of taking easterns in western Wa. make what little incidental harvest that took place in and around these sites insignificant. 
    

[Wacenturion]

Im not sure if the raffle tags came into account, I dont think so.  But this goes back to when you got 3 tags with your small game lic. and then had to purchase them seperately.

OK....the separate tags....one for each subspecies.  So could you explain what you're referencing the NWTF did in regards to these.  You said............

               "Well, your talking about the game dept. what do you expect ?  I remember that when the individual tags were proposed they wanted it all.  But we fought them and got some."

[NWTFhunter]

They stood up to the WDFW and wasnt going to let them take all the $ for the new tag sales.
Now I dont know how it all worked out as in what % the state nwtf gets or does with the monies generated, as I was heading to Cali at that time the details were worked out.  But the $ probably goes into the superfund ?

[yelp]

wow....didn't know that..do they still do that today NWTFHunter....or was that just back when they seperated them? ....NWTF demanded a proportion of tag sales from WDFW for thier efforts?