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Tom Remington and George Dovel wouldn't know wildlife conservation if it walked up and spit in their face. I started to read some of the article and then realized it was just some re-tread garbage dug up from stale old meaningless arguments about what letter a former director signed back in the early 90's. I don't understand why these fiction writers can't come up with new stuff...when you are not bound by facts and accurate reporting it should be easy to produce new material.
Quote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 12:38:53 PMTom Remington and George Dovel wouldn't know wildlife conservation if it walked up and spit in their face. I started to read some of the article and then realized it was just some re-tread garbage dug up from stale old meaningless arguments about what letter a former director signed back in the early 90's. I don't understand why these fiction writers can't come up with new stuff...when you are not bound by facts and accurate reporting it should be easy to produce new material. Would you know wildlife conservation if Tom Remington spit in your face? I'm guessing Tom Remington has forgotten more about wildlife conservation in his older age than you know in your youthful new age ignorance...There's more than just a letter but you don't care to read more or accept the re-introduction of wolves as being done with skewed facts and lies Why would you believe the "facts and numbers" of agencies that have been proven to manipulate, outright lie and steal to do whatever they want
Being endangered and being listed under the Endangered Species Act are sometimes different things.
Quote from: mfswallace on March 31, 2015, 02:30:52 PMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 12:38:53 PMTom Remington and George Dovel wouldn't know wildlife conservation if it walked up and spit in their face. I started to read some of the article and then realized it was just some re-tread garbage dug up from stale old meaningless arguments about what letter a former director signed back in the early 90's. I don't understand why these fiction writers can't come up with new stuff...when you are not bound by facts and accurate reporting it should be easy to produce new material. Would you know wildlife conservation if Tom Remington spit in your face? I'm guessing Tom Remington has forgotten more about wildlife conservation in his older age than you know in your youthful new age ignorance...There's more than just a letter but you don't care to read more or accept the re-introduction of wolves as being done with skewed facts and lies Why would you believe the "facts and numbers" of agencies that have been proven to manipulate, outright lie and steal to do whatever they want I'm just pointing out the obvious...it does no good to get worked up over what any state agency role was with respect to wolf re-introduction. The federal government had authority under ESA to re-introduce wolves. The President of the United States showed up to help release the darn wolves. I think its ridiculous some folks believe a low level bureaucrat like an IDFG director could possibly have stopped wolf reintroduction in Idaho. There is no believing in "facts and numbers" when talking wolves. Like it or not the federal government had the authority to re-introduce wolves to recover an endangered species...they did not need IDFG permission, they did not need to prove there would be no negative impacts to hunters, other wildlife, rural communities...whatever the concern. I understand people don't like that and many of those criticisms are often repeated as reasons for modifying ESA law; but its important to acknowledge reality when understanding where ones effort should be placed in fighting to ensure wildlife is managed in a way that protects the hunting heritage...which I would hope is a mutual concern of folks on this forum.
Quote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 07:17:56 PMQuote from: mfswallace on March 31, 2015, 02:30:52 PMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 12:38:53 PMTom Remington and George Dovel wouldn't know wildlife conservation if it walked up and spit in their face. I started to read some of the article and then realized it was just some re-tread garbage dug up from stale old meaningless arguments about what letter a former director signed back in the early 90's. I don't understand why these fiction writers can't come up with new stuff...when you are not bound by facts and accurate reporting it should be easy to produce new material. Would you know wildlife conservation if Tom Remington spit in your face? I'm guessing Tom Remington has forgotten more about wildlife conservation in his older age than you know in your youthful new age ignorance...There's more than just a letter but you don't care to read more or accept the re-introduction of wolves as being done with skewed facts and lies Why would you believe the "facts and numbers" of agencies that have been proven to manipulate, outright lie and steal to do whatever they want I'm just pointing out the obvious...it does no good to get worked up over what any state agency role was with respect to wolf re-introduction. The federal government had authority under ESA to re-introduce wolves. The President of the United States showed up to help release the darn wolves. I think its ridiculous some folks believe a low level bureaucrat like an IDFG director could possibly have stopped wolf reintroduction in Idaho. There is no believing in "facts and numbers" when talking wolves. Like it or not the federal government had the authority to re-introduce wolves to recover an endangered species...they did not need IDFG permission, they did not need to prove there would be no negative impacts to hunters, other wildlife, rural communities...whatever the concern. I understand people don't like that and many of those criticisms are often repeated as reasons for modifying ESA law; but its important to acknowledge reality when understanding where ones effort should be placed in fighting to ensure wildlife is managed in a way that protects the hunting heritage...which I would hope is a mutual concern of folks on this forum."I'm just pointing out the obvious...it does no good to get worked up over what any state agency role was with respect to wolf re-introduction."In other wards, don't get worked up over the fraud and corruption of IDFG etc., it's ok if the state game agencies pull crooked deals because the feds would have forced their agenda anyway. :roll eyes: It's just some of that wolf history that the pro-wolf people don't want remembered, nor do they want to recognize much of the same fraud that is happening in WA and OR with wolf introduction.When the news breaks that WDFW released wolves in WA, will their excuse be the same? The USFWS was going to release wolves in WA anyway so we beat them to the punch? Or the wolves were going to migrate anyway, we just wanted recovery to move along a little sooner. Can't wait to hear why they lied to the people of WA.
Quote from: wolfbait on April 01, 2015, 06:47:25 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 07:17:56 PMQuote from: mfswallace on March 31, 2015, 02:30:52 PMQuote from: idahohuntr on March 31, 2015, 12:38:53 PMTom Remington and George Dovel wouldn't know wildlife conservation if it walked up and spit in their face. I started to read some of the article and then realized it was just some re-tread garbage dug up from stale old meaningless arguments about what letter a former director signed back in the early 90's. I don't understand why these fiction writers can't come up with new stuff...when you are not bound by facts and accurate reporting it should be easy to produce new material. Would you know wildlife conservation if Tom Remington spit in your face? I'm guessing Tom Remington has forgotten more about wildlife conservation in his older age than you know in your youthful new age ignorance...There's more than just a letter but you don't care to read more or accept the re-introduction of wolves as being done with skewed facts and lies Why would you believe the "facts and numbers" of agencies that have been proven to manipulate, outright lie and steal to do whatever they want I'm just pointing out the obvious...it does no good to get worked up over what any state agency role was with respect to wolf re-introduction. The federal government had authority under ESA to re-introduce wolves. The President of the United States showed up to help release the darn wolves. I think its ridiculous some folks believe a low level bureaucrat like an IDFG director could possibly have stopped wolf reintroduction in Idaho. There is no believing in "facts and numbers" when talking wolves. Like it or not the federal government had the authority to re-introduce wolves to recover an endangered species...they did not need IDFG permission, they did not need to prove there would be no negative impacts to hunters, other wildlife, rural communities...whatever the concern. I understand people don't like that and many of those criticisms are often repeated as reasons for modifying ESA law; but its important to acknowledge reality when understanding where ones effort should be placed in fighting to ensure wildlife is managed in a way that protects the hunting heritage...which I would hope is a mutual concern of folks on this forum."I'm just pointing out the obvious...it does no good to get worked up over what any state agency role was with respect to wolf re-introduction."In other wards, don't get worked up over the fraud and corruption of IDFG etc., it's ok if the state game agencies pull crooked deals because the feds would have forced their agenda anyway. :roll eyes: It's just some of that wolf history that the pro-wolf people don't want remembered, nor do they want to recognize much of the same fraud that is happening in WA and OR with wolf introduction.When the news breaks that WDFW released wolves in WA, will their excuse be the same? The USFWS was going to release wolves in WA anyway so we beat them to the punch? Or the wolves were going to migrate anyway, we just wanted recovery to move along a little sooner. Can't wait to hear why they lied to the people of WA.The level of ignorance one must posses in order to make such a big deal out of a single letter signed in the early 90's by a state director...talk about grasping at straws. I guess that's what you are forced to do when you make repeated claims about WDFW releasing wolves but you can never provide anyone with any evidence of these secret wolf transplants. Sad.
Idahohuntr is a new age biologist trained recently, enough said for the education system
Quote from: mfswallace on April 02, 2015, 02:03:27 PMIdahohuntr is a new age biologist trained recently, enough said for the education system
Below is some info. you should probably read if you plan on staying with the wolf topic.
Quote from: wolfbait on April 02, 2015, 01:48:56 PMBelow is some info. you should probably read if you plan on staying with the wolf topic. No thanks. I'm not really interested in reading fiction.
It's funny how Idaho hunter always claims that wolfbait is speeding lies and false information yet he never presents any evidence to support his claims. Only offers his opinion on its credibility and refuses to even read or except anything other than his opinions and what game departments claim. Personally I've seen a lot of corruption and lack of transparentcy in wdfw, idfg and f&g. This whole wolf introduction has been nothing but a disaster from day one! Call it conspericy if you want but there is deff more to this whole thing than just wanting wolves back in the USA. No state game agency has been 100% honest or transparent about wolf issues.
Quote from: idahohuntr on April 02, 2015, 05:44:01 PMQuote from: wolfbait on April 02, 2015, 01:48:56 PMBelow is some info. you should probably read if you plan on staying with the wolf topic. No thanks. I'm not really interested in reading fiction.Yep, that's about what I figured you would say. People like you are the reason we had the wolf introduction, you ignore past history in support of the environmentalists fairy tales and their agendas.
It's funny how Idaho hunter always claims that wolfbait is speeding lies and false information yet he never presents any evidence to support his claims. Only offers his opinion on its credibility and refuses to even read or except anything other than his opinions and what game departments claim.
Quote from: mountainman on April 02, 2015, 04:48:32 PMQuote from: mfswallace on April 02, 2015, 02:03:27 PMIdahohuntr is a new age biologist trained recently, enough said for the education system
Quote from: wolfbait on April 02, 2015, 06:06:16 PMQuote from: idahohuntr on April 02, 2015, 05:44:01 PMQuote from: wolfbait on April 02, 2015, 01:48:56 PMBelow is some info. you should probably read if you plan on staying with the wolf topic. No thanks. I'm not really interested in reading fiction.Yep, that's about what I figured you would say. People like you are the reason we had the wolf introduction, you ignore past history in support of the environmentalists fairy tales and their agendas.I've never supported wolf re-introduction and I don't support environmentalist fairy tales. Your preferred method of matching the environmentalists lie for lie is what I oppose. I wish all the fringe on both sides of this issue...you and the rest of the zealot anti-wolfers, as well as the fringe tree huggers on the other side, would just stop with the ridiculous claims and exaggerations and campaigns of misinformation. Most reasonably informed individuals can see through the garbage and bs, but to the middle 80% of voters who don't invest a lot of time understanding the issue, its unfortunate they are bombarded with so many lies from both sides. Quote from: jasnt on April 02, 2015, 07:20:37 PMIt's funny how Idaho hunter always claims that wolfbait is speeding lies and false information yet he never presents any evidence to support his claims. Only offers his opinion on its credibility and refuses to even read or except anything other than his opinions and what game departments claim. jasnt- its impossible to prove a negative...like wolves were not transplanted by WDFW. This is why tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists love conjuring up crap like that. Prove to me that WDFW did not plant Elvis in the cascades. I know I saw them. My UPS guy's cousin saw Dave Ware load Elvis into a horsetrailer and drop him off. Prove me wrong. And don't just offer your opinion on the credibility of the information. And don't refuse to read the articles in the National Enquirer just because you think they might be exaggerating to make a $$.
