Applying in Idaho, Key things to know.

[pd]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

I hadnt seen that language in the msg book. Can always learn something new.

 

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR?

OK, it looks like I am the Slow Joe today.  If IdahoHunter stands corrected, what odds do I have of being correct?   

So, would somebody please explain this to me, before I apply as a non-resident for moose?  The way I have always understood it is non-residents are limited to no more than 10% of the total tag pool, by species.  Right or wrong.  So why does the odds decline from there? 

[WAcoueshunter]

So, would somebody please explain this to me, before I apply as a non-resident for moose?  The way I have always understood it is non-residents are limited to no more than 10% of the total tag pool, by species.  Right or wrong.

Right.

So why does the odds decline from there? 

Because NR's can't draw more than 10% of any given unit, and you also have to get drawn before all the tags for that unit are given out.  So effectively there are three hurdles a NR needs to get through before they get a tag, combined they make the odds worse than they might otherwise appear. 

If you are applying for a unit that has 2 tags for 50 total applicants, Your odds can't be better than 4%.  Odds are the inability to be one of the first two names out of the hat will be the limiting factor, not one of the NR caps. 

However, if you apply for a hunt with 2 tags for 10 applicants, you would think your odds are 1:5.  However, you could be the second name out of the hat and not get a tag if the first name is a NR due to the 10% cap on each hunt.  So to really know your odds, you've got to know how many of those 10 are NRs, because collectively they only get one tag between them. 

And then overall, you could apply for a tag that has two tags for four applicants.  You'd think your odds are 50/50.  But in reality, the two NR caps are probably the limiting factor and make your odds for that tag much worse than the otherwise would appear.

I just eyeballed it quickly, and in 2014 there were about 220 NR applicants for 4 goat tags overall.  So 1:55 overall for goats. 

[WAcoueshunter]

For moose, there were about 450 NRs for 49 NR moose tags (numbers are eyeballed, so might be off a bit).  Appears NRs are less than 10% of the overall pool, so the 10% overall cap shouldn't be a limiting factor for moose.  That means the posted odds for most of the tags should be right on! 

Conversely, with Cali sheep, NR's are way more than 10% of the overall applicant pool.  About 340 NR applicants for two tags, or 1:170.  If you take the $154 non-refundable license fee and the application fee and roll it into the WA Cali sheep raffle, you'd get about 15 tickets.  Most years there are about 3,500 WA cali sheep raffle tickets sold, so your odds there would be 15:3500 or about 1:233.  And that sheep raffle tag gives you the entire season with multiple units!

[pd]

For moose, there were about 450 NRs for 49 NR moose tags (numbers are eyeballed, so might be off a bit).  Appears NRs are less than 10% of the overall pool, so the 10% overall cap shouldn't be a limiting factor for moose.  That means the posted odds for most of the tags should be right on! 

Conversely, with Cali sheep, NR's are way more than 10% of the overall applicant pool.  About 340 NR applicants for two tags, or 1:170.  If you take the $154 non-refundable license fee and the application fee and roll it into the WA Cali sheep raffle, you'd get about 15 tickets.  Most years there are about 3,500 WA cali sheep raffle tickets sold, so your odds there would be 15:3500 or about 1:233.  And that sheep raffle tag gives you the entire season with multiple units!

Good analyses.  The California sheep example is interesting.  Please point me into the direction of the previous years' controlled hunts, particularly the number of tags available vs. the number of resident & non-resident applications compared to the number of res/non-res successful tags.  I can't seem to find that.

[WAcoueshunter]

Here's the link to the base page, then you just select your year and species.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/licenses/controlledHunts/lookupOdds.cfm

[pd]

Here's the link to the base page, then you just select your year and species.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/licenses/controlledHunts/lookupOdds.cfm

Wonderful!  I didn't know about this.  Very useful.  Thanks.