This is scary!

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[RadSav]

Don't let my brother clean your gun.  There is no manufacture safe after he gets done "Fixing" them. 

I can remember everyone slamming Ruger for their pistols and 10/22, Springfield 1911 with similar issues, Smith and Wesson rifle issues, Thompson single shot still has the same issue they always have...that's scary too!!  Just give it time and I'm sure your favorite gun manufacture will have some amount of scary troubles creep up.  If one gets bashed today the other will get bashed tomorrow and yet another was being bashed yesterday.  Just a good reminder to handle safely, don't be careless, and take to a gunsmith if you are like my brother and have parts left over after reassembly

"I never see failure as failure but as the negative feedback I need to change course in the right direction" - Tom Hopkins

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[mountainman]

..... Just a good reminder to handle safely, don't be careless..

 

[Seahawk12]

I get pretty fed up with how litigious our society has become, but Winchester should be sued for a substantial dollar amount for letting garbage like that out the door. That's ridiculously irresponsible.

[2labs]

I get pretty fed up with how litigious our society has become, but Winchester should be sued for a substantial dollar amount for letting garbage like that out the door. That's ridiculously irresponsible.

Remington buried it for years, and was aware of the problem. I think their only recall is on the new x mark pro.

[RadSav]

I get pretty fed up with how litigious our society has become, but Winchester should be sued for a substantial dollar amount for letting garbage like that out the door. That's ridiculously irresponsible.

Remington buried it for years, and was aware of the problem. I think their only recall is on the new x mark pro.

I think Remington pulled every single bolt gun out of Sportsman's Warehouse last year, didn't they?

[jackelope]

Rad-What's the issue Thompson Center still has with all their single shots? 

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Remington buried it for years, and was aware of the problem. I think their only recall is on the new x mark pro.
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I believe that it was substantially more than a few years.  More like a decade or more.....if my memory serves me.

I'm not aware of how long the other manufacturers delayed doing anything about their firearms issues, but knowing that Remington was made well aware of these numerous complaints so many years before doing anything about it, did not endear them to me.

As far as the post that used 'bashing/bashed and or slamming' 4x's as a description of what I and a few other members were doing to Remington, I'd suggest that saying that "the Thompson single shot still has the same issue they always have....." is more 'bashing/slamming' than just a few here trying to inform members of a single issue that Remington had which currently they've tried to correct.

I wasn't going to mention the fact earlier that Remington failed to act on this obvious and dangerous problem for over a decade, and I didn't until that door was so conveinently opened for me by a few here, as it then might have been construed as bashing.  But since everybodies trying to lump each manufacturer of firearms in the same catagory as having had issues and recalls in the past, it is now only fair to those other manufacturers to mention Remington's irresponsible decision not to act much sooner shouldn't be a blanket statement about all other firearm manufacturers not so irresponsible.

Informing and 'bashing' have little to do with one another, unless of course, someone can finally offer a valid reason why anyone here or the hundreds that experienced the M700 trigger issue, would take the time and effort to report the same exact, dangerous circumstances that finally brought about Remington's decision to recall their entire inventory. 

Again.....if it can be shown that any information I or others have offered in regards to this Remington issue was either false or not well intended (bashing/slamming Remington), please feel free to point that out.  If not, what reasons can you conjure up as to why I or hundreds of others would do so..........? 

[RadSav]

Rad-What's the issue Thompson Center still has with all their single shots?

On Thompson guns with an external hammer.  If the trigger is touched before the hammer is cocked the hammer does not latch.  So if you slide your thumb off the back of the hammer it will fall forward and touch off the round.  My personal experiences have only been with the Contender pistol, but a friend of mine in PA shot himself with the rifle when the same thing happened.

I check every one I see at a shop.  30 years and I have yet to find one that does not have that problem.

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And? My factory Remington's will still remain as they are and I will continue to buy more.

[2labs]

And? My factory Remington's will still remain as they are and I will continue to buy more.

Enjoy!

[jackelope]

Rad-What's the issue Thompson Center still has with all their single shots?

On Thompson guns with an external hammer.  If the trigger is touched before the hammer is cocked the hammer does not latch.  So if you slide your thumb off the back of the hammer it will fall forward and touch off the round.  My personal experiences have only been with the Contender pistol, but a friend of mine in PA shot himself with the rifle when the same thing happened.

I check every one I see at a shop.  30 years and I have yet to find one that does not have that problem.

You may be looking at all Contenders?? My Encore doesn't do that. The trigger must be pulled in order for the hammer to contact the firing pin. I have verified that the safety feature works on mine.

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And? My factory Remington's will still remain as they are and I will continue to buy more.

Your right to do so..... .
As for "buying more"...........I wouldn't doubt it and by all accounts, any new Remington firearms that you buy should all now carry a completely new and redesigned trigger mechanism.  You should be good to go.  And if for some reason the exact same issues happen to occur with their newest trigger offering in your new rifle and the company is well aware of it ocurring repeatedly and has quite intentionally done nothing.....for years!  You can likely figure on not getting a recall notice, if history counts.  And many years after you've hunted with this weapon and have now handed it down to your son, you then learn that you were placed in harms way by a company, but more importantly, that you then handed that same firearm to your son believing that your gift to him was totally and unquestionably.....safe. Why wouldn't you?

Family, friend and member loyalty should always trumps 'brand loyalty'........IMHO.

[RadSav]

You may be looking at all Contenders?? My Encore doesn't do that. The trigger must be pulled in order for the hammer to contact the firing pin. I have verified that the safety feature works on mine.

Have you pulled the trigger first and then tried to cock the hammer? 

That is when the trouble occurs.  It's not when the hammer is already back or even part way back.  The trigger, moved only a slight amount before the hammer is cocked, disengages the hammer latch and drops the safety both.  It's not like the Ruger issue where there is no safety and a strike to the hammer or a slip of the thumb at half cock will fire the round.  It's letting go of the hammer expecting it to stay latched and it doesn't.

I know no one should ever be pulling the trigger unless they intend to shoot.  But, in my case and my friends case the trigger must have been pulled by clothing, pack buckle or something first.  Then the hammer was cocked, or at least we tried to cock them!  I dang near killed the dog and my friend had to have the fire department come get him out of his tree stand.  He was messed up for quite some time.  Bullet went in mid calf, out the ankle and then put dang near a 2" hole in the foot.

It has been about a year since I saw one in a store.  So they may have finally fixed the issue.  But I sure as heck am not going to buy one until I find one that does not do that.  And so far I have not found one that's right.  Encore or Contender.