"I don't come up with solutions" she says....

[mfswallace]

It's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality.  You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other.  The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it.

[4fletch]

Another transparent  meeting. Hope someone records the meeting so we can see what goes on for this high priced community organizer

[AspenBud]

It doesn't matter guys. This is a livestock oriented group. They'll try to find a way to placate the ranchers and get them off their back. If they take the economics out of it it becomes a fight over who is right, not if it's right to cause someone economic harm. If they can get the cattlemen out of the picture it becomes a lot easier for them to have their way with a disorganized group like hunters in WA.

But what should bother everyone most is that HSUS and the Sierra Club have such a foothold in such matters. That shows you just how much influence they have in all areas of wildlife management here. Wolves are but one small item in their meddling. These are out of state groups with out of state money that are no friends to hunting, or fishing for that matter (yes, HSUS would like to attack that as well), and they are being allowed to LOBBY wildlife management decisions...and they are in close.

[wolfbait]

It doesn't matter guys. This is a livestock oriented group. They'll try to find a way to placate the ranchers and get them off their back. If they take the economics out of it it becomes a fight over who is right, not if it's right to cause someone economic harm. If they can get the cattlemen out of the picture it becomes a lot easier for them to have their way with a disorganized group like hunters in WA.

But what should bother everyone most is that HSUS and the Sierra Club have such a foothold in such matters. That shows you just how much influence they have in all areas of wildlife management here. Wolves are but one small item in their meddling. These are out of state groups with out of state money that are no friends to hunting, or fishing for that matter (yes, HSUS would like to attack that as well), and they are being allowed to LOBBY wildlife management decisions...and they are in close.

 
Well Said A-bud

This isn't a get to know you better meeting this is a lets figure out how we are going to continue protecting WA's wolves while managing those who will be hurt by uncontrolled wolves.

[wolfbait]

Anti-hunting, anti-guns, anti-public lands, anti-ATV, pro-greenie, pro-wolf, pro-greenie money takers, pro-enviromentalist supporters.
Sound familiar ?

 What's really  disheartening is to know that many hunters will align themselves with one of these groups on one issue (motorized access for one) and be so ignorant  of the fact  that the knife the group is hiding WILL be used on all hunters later on.

 

The environmentalists, USFWS, and state game agencies are all on the same page, with the same goals. Look at WDFW's long term management plans.

[CAMPMEAT]

Just think if ALL hunters and fisherman/women, in Washington State, gave, say $100 each, to start a group of lobbyists, that we control.  Would that make any difference fighting the WDFW and these liberal types brought in from out-of-state, who are NOT experts at anything except deception ?

[WAcoyotehunter]

It's sad to see someone resort to eye-catching headlines at the expense of reality.  You've got 18 VOLUNTEERS who have no authority over any kind of wolf management meeting to get to know each other.  The facilitator wants a closed meeting so that these volunteers will speak openly and not hold back out of fear for who is in the audience (and what they may write)...but lets not inject reality into wolf management...that won't sell ad-space will it.

Yep.

Deploy the tin foil helmets!!  Not all meetings are open to the public.  Closed chambers happen for county commissioners and different elected officials all the time.  Perhaps, (prepare yourself for a crazy idea) the group doesn't want to get derailed by mindless blather from the wildly anti or pro wolf crowd.....

[pianoman9701]

It's interesting that the people who are most affected by wolves in this state, the ranchers, want the meeting open. It's also of interest that the people who've been supporting the outrageous wolf plan want it closed. No tin foil hats needed to see what's going on here, folks. We all pay for this program. We pay for the meetings. We pay for the reparations of wolf damage. We should never be excluded from these meetings.

Letter to Sen. Benton re: closed meetings:

"Hi Don,

There's a 2-day meeting of the wolf advisory committee in Spokane on the 21st and 22nd this week. The WDFW has announced that it will not be open to the public. This is really unacceptable. I'm over in Pullman waiting for the meeting and won't be able to attend. Please find out what you can about this and about the possibility of having the meeting opened to our residents.

Thanks much for your help with this, Don. I look forward to your timely reply.
John W.
Vancouver"

[timberfaller]

Nothing new under the sun!!   THEY did this same tactic during the "meetings" held in the Methow over the Salmon listing/water wars years!

Get ready to   

[pianoman9701]

I got a call from Benton's office and they're looking into it.

[AspenBud]

Deploy the tin foil helmets!!  Not all meetings are open to the public.  Closed chambers happen for county commissioners and different elected officials all the time.  Perhaps, (prepare yourself for a crazy idea) the group doesn't want to get derailed by mindless blather from the wildly anti or pro wolf crowd.....

So HSUS and the Sierra Club don't want to listen to themselves?

I don't really care that the meeting is closed door, I don't even care that much that it's centered on wolves. It's the representation on that board that really bothers me. HSUS will never  support hunting of wolves or any animal. They don't just try to stop wolf hunting, it's the works. The Sierra Club isn't far behind and they are about as damaging to habitat initiatives as Wolfbait's thoughts on habitat are.

But pocket books matter. They will try to solve the livestock problem and if they do, hunters will be left behind. This goes far beyond wolves with them. People not able to make a livelihood is a problem for them. But convincing the public that hunting of any animal is bad...we've seen what they can do.

They (HSUS and the SC) should not be at the table.

[Curly]

HSUS shouldn't even be allowed to be an organization.  They are just way out there past left field.  I agree, there is no way they should be at the table.

[AspenBud]

Breaking bread with your enemy only works if they are willing to compromise. HSUS does not compromise.

[timberfaller]

  so you wouldn't break bread with wolfbait, aspenbud??

  wolfbait 

[Special T]

Breaking bread with your enemy only works if they are willing to compromise. HSUS does not compromise.

I have to fully agree with you on this point