"I don't come up with solutions" she says....

[idahohuntr]

  The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda.   

To the hunting community they are.

No, they are not.  Having an opposing environmental management philosophy is not akin to terrorism and murder of innocent people.  Get real.

They want to end our way of life because they don't agree with us.

Groups seeking to limit or eliminate recreational hunting or ATV use, as much as we may object to their views, are still a far cry from terrorists who murder people. To continue to argue they are the same is ignorant and disrespectful to our military. 

[grundy53]

  The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda.   

To the hunting community they are.

No, they are not.  Having an opposing environmental management philosophy is not akin to terrorism and murder of innocent people.  Get real.

They want to end our way of life because they don't agree with us.

Groups seeking to limit or eliminate recreational hunting or ATV use, as much as we may object to their views, are still a far cry from terrorists who murder people. To continue to argue they are the same is ignorant and disrespectful to our military.

I'm talking philosophically. I'm not disrespecting our military. But since you seem to want to defend these groups, there are many that are eco terrorists. That is a fact. Also ask Bearpaw or many other hunters that are in the public eye how many death threats they get.

[pianoman9701]

This should make it clear that the HSUS has supported eco-terrorism. I stand by my statement.

https://gunowners.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/the-humane-society-is-anything-but/

The Humane Society is anything but

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"The Humane Society does not care about domestic pets.  Less than 1% of all money they generate goes to actually shelters where funding is desperately needed.  Despite what the ads on TV would have you believe, the Humane Society does not care about your pet, pounds, shelters or anything of the like.

Their president, Wayne Pacelle, goes so far as to say the following:

When asked if he envisioned a future without pets, “If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don’t want to see another dog or cat born.”

“One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals.”

That’s right…these people are so out there on the fringe that they don’t even believe that pets should have the right to exist.  No wonder they don’t want to see money spent on shelters, the Human Society’s endgame is the eradication of pets and the more that get euthanized in shelters, the better.

I think the most ironic thing, especially when you are in the thick of the con job that the Humane Society does, is that Mr. Pacelle doesn’t even LIKE animals.

“I don’t have a hands-on fondness for animals…To this day I don’t feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I’m kind to them, but there’s no special bond between me and other animals.”

So you have an organization headed by a man who doesn’t like animals and wants to drive all domesticated animals to extinction.  Please reflect on that the next time you see the TV ad for the animal shelter and have a desire to donate to the Humane Society.  Their goal is “the extinction of domestic animals”. 

Here’s a link these and other quotes they have made

But of course it goes beyond domestic animals as the Humane Society has also set its sights on hunting.  It is there that Gun Owners of America and the Humane Society cross paths.

If Pacelle wants the extinction of domestic animals, what do you think the leadership wants in regards to hunting?  From his and HSUS Manager John (J.P) Goodwin own mouths:

Pacelle

“If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.”

“Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting.”

“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States … We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”

Goodwin takes it a step further and fully wraps himself in an eco terrorist stance

“My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture.”

“The industry has produced a booklet that they are sending out to farmers. This booklet describes security techniques that they can adopt. Security techniques which the (Animal Liberation Front) A.L.F. dismantled in Utah, putting the industry to shame. We haven’t gotten a copy of the booklet yet…”

“Sadly, some so called “animal defenders” are not so supportive of these raids. Ann Davis of the Salt Lake City, Utah based Animal Rights Alliance has stated that she has already talked to the FBI, and will continue to do so. The FBI is working for the fur industry. Anyone that works with them is working hand in hand with the fur trade and is a traitor. If you don’t want to be investigated then don’t associate with turncoats. With friends like these, the mink are screwed…”

“Let it be stated loud and clear, that myself and the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade support these actions 100%. We will never, ever, ever work with anyone who helps the FBI stop the A.L.F.”

 So, not only do they want to abolish hunting and animal agriculture (which extends to beef cattle, dairy cows, sheep’s wool etc) they also fully support the actions of the eco-terrorist group, Animal Liberation Front."

[timberfaller]

It always amazes me the People who think, "diplomacy" will work on people with "radical" agendas!!

They are "radical" because THEY are the one's NOT going to "compromise" one inch(YOU have to though)!! because their "agenda" is THEIR "Religion" !!  Common sense is THEIR "Evil"

If you can't see the fire though the smoke, YOUR going to get Burned!!!! 

 

[AspenBud]

There is no greater blood enemy to a bird hunter and his dogs than HSUS other than possibly PETA. Houndsmen feel the same way.

There is no compromise.

[huntnphool]

I've never suggested there needs to be any compromise.  Only that there is no downside to including these groups and letting them hear from reasoned, intelligent, and diplomatic hunters and biologists.  Not allowing them at the meetings gives them ammo to whine to a sympathetic governor that they were ignored and that gives them even more political leverage on wolf issues in WA than if they are included as one of many voices in a large group with diverse opinions.   

Most of you wanting to exclude them or demanding this introductory meeting be completely open to the public...you are playing checkers when you need to open your eyes to the game of chess which is being played.

Whoa, time out!
Who suggested that these people should be excluded?  I didn't, and to suggest otherwise is pure B.S.
They will listen to the reasoned, intelligent, and diplomatic hunters and biologists. They will then shake hands, go back to their peeps and call all of those intelligent, reasoned people a bunch of backwards animal killers and idiots.

You want to sit down with them, fine. Just don't expect any meeting of the minds. Diplomacy goes only so far. Right about where you feel a knife in your back.

Call me names if you want, but years of experience has come with one lesson above all. You cannot trust anybody whose ultimate goal is to erase your way of life. That goes for hunting, exercising the Second Amendment, burning wood in a stove for heat, pick a subject.

This isn't a game of checkers or chess. This is serious business with potential consequences. Comparing it to a board game is what gets people in all kinds of trouble.

As far as trust and diplomacy...again, we have nothing to lose by meeting with these groups...even if they continue to object to any lethal control.  There is only upside potential...even if its very improbable.

 Yeah yeah yeah, you keep saying that, but when continually asked to give examples like "nothing to lose", "upside", "opportunity", "common ground" and "solutions" you conveniently ignore the question or look for ways to confuse the obvious intent of the question.

 Let's hear it Idaho, what meaningful "good" can come out of discussions with these people? Will they EVER agree with lethal control?

 The only compromise that's EVER been accepted are those given from the anti wolf side, and I have zero faith in CNW, HSUS or any pro wolf group giving a inch, you do so let's hear where you think compromise on their side is possible.

[huntnphool]

What exactly is the role of HSUS and the SC on a WDFW advisory committee of any kind? The HSUS is the Hezbollah of animal rights groups. They deceive donors into thinking they support local shelters while they use taxpayer money to sue the state governments over animal rights law. They have no ability whatsoever for flexibility in their thinking towards hunting. Their stated goal is to end hunting. It is completely inappropriate for them to have a seat on any committee that has the ability to influence hunting regulations. Anyone who supports their position on a WDFW committee has no place in this forum.

+1

[pianoman9701]

I just got off the phone with Sen. Benton's office. There's some waffling going on in the WDFW about this meeting. Apparently, the meeting now will be open to the public for a short while at the beginning and then closed once the meeting gets underway. The Senator is looking into the legality of closing it to the public at all, but they're confused as to why they first said it would be closed and is now open at the beginning. I plan to go on Thursday and would encourage as many of you as possible to join me. Benton's office also said they're contacting Joel Kretz to make sure he's aware of the meeting so he may attend.

[huntnphool]

The Senator is looking into the legality of closing it to the public at all, but they're confused as to why they first said it would be closed and is now open at the beginning.

 Looking into the "legality" of why it is closed to the public? How about looking into the need to have it closed at all, let alone the legality of it.

[JimmyHoffa]

  The Sierra Club and HSUS are not ISIS and Al Qaeda.   

To the hunting community they are.

No, they are not.  Having an opposing environmental management philosophy is not akin to terrorism and murder of innocent people.  Get real.

They want to end our way of life because they don't agree with us.

Grabbers and antis are way worse. 

[pianoman9701]

The Senator is looking into the legality of closing it to the public at all, but they're confused as to why they first said it would be closed and is now open at the beginning.

 Looking into the "legality" of why it is closed to the public? How about looking into the need to have it closed at all, let alone the legality of it.

Have it closed as illegal? Please expound.

[pianoman9701]

More waffling. I just called the WDFW for meeting details and was told the Thursday meeting at the Spokane Airport Ramada was closed to the public except the media. I told them Sen. Benton's office had been told the beginning would be open and would he check with wildlife. He did so and came back and said it was completely closed. Interesting developments by the moment. I'm going to be out of touch for a while but will either be back on tonight or in the AM. The full meeting will be available by video on the WDFW website.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I hope they do their handshakes and have time to meet and learn about each other without you and your buddies heckling and protesting wolves.  I know you dont believe this, but the point of the meeting is not to guide policy or make decisions.  Its to meet the other board members in a non confrontational setting.... You are the one making it confrontational, just so we are all clear.

[pianoman9701]

I wouldn't be confrontational. I'd be interested in what happens at the meeting as it happens. I pay for it. I should have access.

[CAMPMEAT]

More waffling. I just called the WDFW for meeting details and was told the Thursday meeting at the Spokane Airport Ramada was closed to the public except the media. I told them Sen. Benton's office had been told the beginning would be open and would he check with wildlife. He did so and came back and said it was completely closed. Interesting developments by the moment. I'm going to be out of touch for a while but will either be back on tonight or in the AM. The full meeting will be available by video on the WDFW website.

...................I wonder how much editing will be done to the video ?