Grizzly bears....front page of Seattle Times today

[jackelope]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teeth-bared-over-proposal-to-return-grizzlies-to-cascades/

[pianoman9701]

Don't read the comments. Just don't. It amazes me that people so stupid would actually be able to read a newspaper.

[DOUBLELUNG]

A better than average article about the difficulties of managing a public resource for a public abundantly populated with morons.  I contend wildlife management as a profession is in the toilet in every state with an urban majority population, and hampered by out of state interests in those states still fortunate enough to have a rural majority population. 

[Special T]

the artice states they hyprocracy. "The most recent confirmed grizzly sighting anywhere close to this state took place in May 2012, about 20 miles north of the Canadian border.

Researchers had set up cameras at a bait station, hoping to get images of wolverines, the ferocious carnivorous scavengers that also are making a comeback in the Cascades.

What they got was photo of a grizzly bear, which doesn’t require ID to go back and forth across international boundaries."

Just because they arent confirmed does not mean they are not here. A memeber here and a Silver aroow Club member saw a Grizz and told 2 USFS rangers that he saw one up in the Pasayten Wilderness when coming back from a high hunt. they scoffed at him so he informed the rangers that it had an ear tag and was scaping a large tree and exactly where it was seen they became much more interested in what he had to say. that was at least 10 years ago if memory serves right.

Perhaps people with emotions like these
“Please ensure that there are wild grizzlies for my grandchildren to imagine roaming the mountains; even if it is unlikely they will ever see a wild one, it is important to know that they are there, living free, in our backyard of the North Cascades.”

Should find comfort that they ARE here and that since seeing them is not important Eye witness accounts should be enough.

Lets not for get the accouts talked about on here OR the fact that a young one was mistakenly shot out of the NE by some guys hunting black bear that was BIG news a few years back... That however must have slipped this investigative reporters minds.... despite the fact that It WAS covered in Seattle news possibly even the ST....
Perhaps those who are enamored with wolves and Griz should spend more time deep in the woods looking for them instead of dreaming about them in the Concrete jungle. 

[Knocker of rocks]

Lets not for get the accouts talked about on here OR the fact that a young one was mistakenly shot out of the NE by some guys hunting black bear that was BIG news a few years back... That however must have slipped this investigative reporters minds.... despite the fact that It WAS covered in Seattle news possibly even the ST....

That was in Montana or Idaho

[Knocker of rocks]

The article posted and linked above is interesting in that they are now discounting the 2010 sighting at Cascade Pass which was confirmed by multiple agencies and highly touted in the media

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/

[X-Force]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfyAgj8EzYQ

Lets not for get the accouts talked about on here OR the fact that a young one was mistakenly shot out of the NE by some guys hunting black bear that was BIG news a few years back... That however must have slipped this investigative reporters minds.... despite the fact that It WAS covered in Seattle news possibly even the ST....

That was in Montana or Idaho

Washington

[DOUBLELUNG]

the artice states they hyprocracy. "The most recent confirmed grizzly sighting anywhere close to this state took place in May 2012, about 20 miles north of the Canadian border.

Typical reporter error - that is true for the north Cascades, but not the state.  Multiple confirmed grizzlies every year in the WA Selkirks

[grundy53]

The article posted and linked above is interesting in that they are now discounting the 2010 sighting at Cascade Pass which was confirmed by multiple agencies and highly touted in the media

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/

It was Washington.

[Knocker of rocks]

The article posted and linked above is interesting in that they are now discounting the 2010 sighting at Cascade Pass which was confirmed by multiple agencies and highly touted in the media

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/

It was Washington.

Source?
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10000-offered-to-find-killer-of-idaho-grizzly-bear-cub/

[grundy53]

The article posted and linked above is interesting in that they are now discounting the 2010 sighting at Cascade Pass which was confirmed by multiple agencies and highly touted in the media

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/

It was Washington.

Source?
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10000-offered-to-find-killer-of-idaho-grizzly-bear-cub/

http://bearinfo.blogspot.com/2009/08/2-accused-of-illegally-killing-wa.html?m=1

[Knocker of rocks]

Thanks for that, I wasn't aware of that instance

[Knocker of rocks]

http://www.fws.gov/pacific/news/2010/Rodeback_Cox_Sentence.pdf

[DOUBLELUNG]

The article posted and linked above is interesting in that they are now discounting the 2010 sighting at Cascade Pass which was confirmed by multiple agencies and highly touted in the media

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/rare-grizzly-bear-photographed-in-north-cascades/

Reminds me of exactly what they did in the GYE with all wolf evidence prior to introducing Canadian wolves in the mid-1990s: it was discredited or ignored.  It is pretty clear the intent there was to discredit naturally recolonizing and resident wolves, which would have had full ESA protection and would have required full ESA protection due to similarity of appearance for the translocations.  In similar fashion, an augmentation will require full ESA protection for any translocated grizzlies.  A reintroduction, however, allows for a less restrictive "experimental nonessential" population designation, which has more flexibility for dealing with conflicts - albeit still stringent restrictions. 

The Service and their allies pulled off that "little white lie" for "the greater good" of establishing a robust, genetically diverse northern Rockies wolf population.  It did, however, require them to act outside the law.  I expect the EXACT same result for North Cascades grizzly reintroductions - "there may be transient or relict individuals, but no self-sustaining population".

[Special T]

 
wolf reintroduction repeat