yep, same for whiteys, big 4x4 whitey will be that way forever, people amaze me every year that think they will be a 5x5 next year, by 31/2 you will know what his frame will be, sure with age he might get a little trash, maybe, but most of that is showing by 31/2.I have bucks at my house that I watched for 5 years never exceded 130, one was alive last year 8 1/2 yrs old still a 4x4.