You're correct h2ofowlr. Many claim to catch 4 and 5 lb reds up here, but those people catch lots of 30 lb kings as well. I've never seen a 5 up here, and even a 4lber is nearly as rare as a 40 lb king. A solid 3.5 lb sockeye up here is a treat. However, I've heard that the strain used in one of the new hatcheries just across the boarder had genetics of larger fish. We shall see in the future.