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Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« on: September 11, 2015, 09:19:52 AM »
GREEN RIVER, Wash. -- Illegal fishing has Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife officers so busy writing citations, they're struggling with other enforcement efforts. They wrote 22 citations on Labor Day at one spot of a closed section on the Green River.

"How are you doing? Catching any?" Sgt. Kim Chandler asked anglers Wednesday.

The Sous Creek hatchery is upstream and salmon are working their way to it. Wild fish also need time to swim to their spawning ground, some protected under the Endangered Species Act. To give fish a chance to make it, the fishing season opens in sections on the Green River. The section between 277th and Auburn Black Diamond Road doesn't open til September 16.

"In case you haven't figured it out, this is the problem. It's closed. You can't fish here," Sgt. Chandler said.

It's a lesson dozens of fishermen have had to learn the hard way.

"Today we figured we'll go some place close to home. That's what happened," Jim Satco said.

Satco explained to Sgt. Chandler that he didn't know he'd picked a spot that doesn't open to fishing until next week. He caught a couple pinks on a year where millions are swarming rivers.

"It's just too much for some folks," Sgt. Chandler said. "They can't stand it. That's why we call it pink fever."

This year, the drought's changed fish habitat and the rules for catching them. Most fishermen have complained they got confused about the rules.

"The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.

http://www.krem.com/story/news/local/northwest/2015/09/10/illegal-fishing-hooks-hundreds-of-citations/72041880/

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2015, 09:22:06 AM »
"The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.

Apparently this guy can't read a map. Pretty simple to understand that upstream of 277th bridge is closed....

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 09:28:21 AM »
"The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.

Apparently this guy can't read a map. Pretty simple to understand that upstream of 277th bridge is closed....
Or referring to the fishing regs as a whole?  Probably not too far from the mark.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 09:31:52 AM »
If I was confused on the rules...I wouldn't go fishing.  Bunch of nimrods.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AM »
If I was confused on the rules...I wouldn't go fishing.  Bunch of nimrods.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2015, 09:42:34 AM »
I don't fish, but it doesn't seem difficult for me to determine when that area opens.
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2015, 10:13:42 AM »
Not really a story IMO my house is just upstream a click from there, this regulation has been in the book every year regardless of drought or not ... happens every year!  :rolleyes:
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2015, 11:48:20 AM »
I'm glad to see they are out enforcing  :tup:
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2015, 12:02:07 PM »
If you watch the story you hear Sgt. Chandler telling the fishermen that he cited them for "without fish" even though they had fish. This all comes down to a rule the WA Supreme Court instituted in 2012. Prior to 2012 nearly all fish and wildlife misdemeanors could be handled by a ticket with a fine. The court said effective 2012 that all crimes (including natural resource offenses) required a mandatory court date. So WDFW approached the legislature and the legislature decriminalized 15 fish and wildlife offenses which made them civil infraction which are handled like a speeding ticket.

What WDFW did was have the legislature separate two types of fishing and bird hunting offenses. What we have now is if you are fishing/bird hunting and violating regs (and are licensed) but don't have birds/fish in possession you can get a civil infraction. If you have birds/fish then you face the criminal charge and a mandatory court date.

The problem is that courts are still overloaded even though WDFW decriminalized 15 fish and wildlife offenses that many counties no longer take the everyday fishing offenses which are crimes because someone violated a rule and has fish in their possession. So the guys in the story actually got cited for the offense of fishing closed waters while not in possession of fish, when in reality they should have been charged with a misdemeanor offense.

In my opinion, more offenses (not just fish and wildlife) need to be decriminalized so we can start enforcing the laws the way they were meant to be enforced.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2015, 12:34:48 PM »
 :dunno: Don't know what to say. I might buy a tag if its G&F kindly opens up a vendor at the trail head and I might fish in an open river if I know it.  I've recently learned on H-W that following the rules seems optional if its inconvenient because hey, some people have jobs and 74 year old uncles unlike the chumps who do things the right way.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2015, 12:51:20 PM »

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2015, 01:11:02 PM »
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2015, 01:21:17 PM »
 :chuckle:

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2015, 01:29:53 PM »
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:
or the opposite.  "Hmmmm....if we muddy up the regs a bit more, we can write thousands of tickets there"  :yike:

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2015, 02:02:35 PM »
"Pink fever"?   :chuckle: :chuckle: 

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2015, 02:10:48 PM »
A lot of guys I know get that fever about the time they turn 12 or 13.
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2015, 02:14:51 PM »
and the cure makes it worse

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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2015, 02:17:06 PM »
Once afflicted, there is no going back.

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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2015, 02:34:10 PM »
"Pink fever"?   :chuckle: :chuckle:

 :yeah:  :chuckle: never was ticketed myself   :o
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2015, 02:53:18 PM »
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:
Mark the river? So is WDFW now supposed to post signs all along waterways saying the water is closed? Most rivers are open and closed numerous times through the year, so basically WDFW should have people constantly placing and removing signs??

How about people just read simple regs....

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2015, 02:55:32 PM »
Sounds simple to me.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2015, 02:56:28 PM »
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:
Mark the river? So is WDFW now supposed to post signs all along waterways saying the water is closed? Most rivers are open and closed numerous times through the year, so basically WDFW should have people constantly placing and removing signs??

How about people just read simple regs....
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2015, 02:59:17 PM »
Signage just doesn't seem to work too well.  Too easy to ignore.  Signs posted all around the Big 4 ice caves and people still entered them and we all know what happened there.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2015, 04:02:24 PM »
:dunno: Don't know what to say. I might buy a tag if its G&F kindly opens up a vendor at the trail head and I might fish in an open river if I know it.  I've recently learned on H-W that following the rules seems optional if its inconvenient because hey, some people have jobs and 74 year old uncles unlike the chumps who do things the right way.  :rolleyes:

If you see someone breaking the law, head down there and grab his or her fishing pole from them and chuck it in the woods. See how that works out.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2015, 04:23:22 PM »
No, no, no, all wrong, You must chuck it in the river!
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2015, 04:36:17 PM »
dummy poles along the river?

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2015, 05:23:38 PM »
 The reality of the situation is I don't fish much. Maybe once or twice a year if that. So if I drove by a lake and saw somebody catching over the limit, I should just mind my own business. If I were going to fish there, I should drive on and find a different place to fish.

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2015, 05:33:24 PM »
Go down there, grab all of there stuff and throw it in the lake or river or brush. Right?

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2015, 06:13:41 PM »
Ive read thru a lot of these posts lately and I gotta say,Most on here are of the op. that if your hunting and you dont know your at and your trespassing then you should know where you are before you go no excuse.Why would anyone think fishing should be any differant?If you go fishing and you dont know the regs where your fishing or even worse you dont know where your fishing then you deserve what ever the wdfw throws at you.You should get cited for fishing closed water,illegal fish, and just for being stupid  :twocents:

 Ive never seen a river in this state or any other I have been to that didnt have a sign as to what the name of the river was. The regs are very clear,this road that bridge to that road that bridge not very diff.

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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2015, 06:20:50 PM »
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:

Yeah, that works well with speed limit and "stay right except to pass" signs on I-5.

The fishing and hunting regs are hard to understand sometimes.  Fishing and hunting are also privileges which means expecting us to read and ask isn't out of line.  I ask here all the time for clarification when I don't know.  I have also used my boat VHF, talked to guys on shore and even the fish cops when necessary.

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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2015, 06:48:04 PM »
Pinks bring out all walks of life ...I That's why I just sit home drinking a beer and laughing my ARZ off at the News ..

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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2015, 06:53:19 PM »
Pinks bring out all walks of life ...I That's why I just sit home drinking a beer and laughing my ARZ off at the News ..

Isn't that the truth?  The nastier the fish, the more the bottom of the population will break rules to get them.  Everybody is semi-civil until a few black hook nose nightmares start rolling in the frog water.

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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2015, 07:50:45 PM »
Pinks bring out all walks of life ...I That's why I just sit home drinking a beer and laughing my ARZ off at the News ..

Isn't that the truth?  The nastier the fish, the more the bottom of the population will break rules to get them.  Everybody is semi-civil until a few black hook nose nightmares start rolling in the frog water.
:yeah:
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2015, 07:57:54 PM »
Lived here all my life. Watch people get all exited about fishing for them. Most just snag them I guess, in the upper river. They call it flossing there teeth?
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2015, 08:07:33 PM »
I think the fresh, bright pinks are pretty good; but have seen some 'zombie pinks' still struggling around beyond their expiration date.  These things are decomposed but alive somehow--literally fins falling off/flesh chunks falling off/jaw dragging in the gravel.  I was fishing for silvers once and a zombie brushed against my line, the goo was so bad I nearly barfed.  Had to spool off some line and get a new leader.  Seriously that bad.  And some guy was completely ignoring the mint bright silvers in the river and loading up his trashbag with pinks.  He grabbed one and it looked like it slipped out of his hand, but it actually slipped out of its own skin.  Just said, "Ah, they smoke up a fine dip."

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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2015, 08:22:40 PM »
Yeah baby and dog salmon, twice as nasty and fight better.
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2015, 12:07:17 PM »
 :rolleyes:

Why is it the "states fault" or "they should mark it better" or  "its a sham put on so the state can levy a fine"!  :rolleyes:   The bottom line is that the river is closed between two bridges AND those bridges are clearly marked AND it is clearly marked in the regulations. I don't get this thinking that its up to the state to lay everything out and make it so simple that there is no personable responsibility on the license holder???
You guys can read a game pamphlet when you want to hunt a GMU so there is really no difference. I don't see signs surrounding every GMU telling you where we are at??? so if you shoot an animal over the boundary is that your fault or the WDFW cause they didn't mark it to your liking?  :dunno:
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Re: Illegal Fishing Hooks Hundreds of Citations
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2015, 08:36:06 AM »
I think the fresh, bright pinks are pretty good; but have seen some 'zombie pinks' still struggling around beyond their expiration date.  These things are decomposed but alive somehow--literally fins falling off/flesh chunks falling off/jaw dragging in the gravel.  I was fishing for silvers once and a zombie brushed against my line, the goo was so bad I nearly barfed.  Had to spool off some line and get a new leader.  Seriously that bad.  And some guy was completely ignoring the mint bright silvers in the river and loading up his trashbag with pinks.  He grabbed one and it looked like it slipped out of his hand, but it actually slipped out of its own skin.  Just said, "Ah, they smoke up a fine dip."

 :puke:  I remember seeing those Chums out by Aberdeen in the creeks and they'd have skin peeling off and oil trailing behind them  :o
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